A predictable call to arms - only criminals use encryption, right?
The Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse: terrorists, pedophiles, drug dealers and money launderers
https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1999/1...
Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators
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#232This is a good time to remember that police forces work for governments and not the other way around. Of course it would be easier for the police to catch bad guys if they had full-text search access to all conversations and content, worldwide. That doesn’t mean it is a good idea. They’re asking for something to make their job easier... can’t blame them for trying, and of course who doesn’t want to catch people who h…
Of course it would be easier for the police to catch bad guys if they had full-text search access to all conversations and content, worldwide.
Source? I'd like to know if that's even true, how could they possibly filter and follow up on every lead their software finds?
The NSA and other agencies are facing problems with having too much data:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/nsa-whistleblower-overwhelmed-...
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#233After normal citizens stop being able to use "unbreakable" encryption, only criminals will be able to use it. So you will get the same "terrorism" and "child pornography" as you do today, but we won't be able to protect our privacy from state actors (or from tech companies and their employees) who will develop the upcoming wholesome, good-enough-for-you encryption. By the way, is XOR considered "strong encryption"? I…
XOR is very strong encryption, therefore it will be illegal. And easy to detect (random looking signal)
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps it is the opposite — we would gradually replace all functions of government with technology :) We already have, to a large extent. The post office. Printing and letters patent and many kinds of licenses. Many kinds of clerks. And so on.
How does that change anything? If you have a dictator control a thousand computers or a thousand humans, the result is that the dictator has the power. The post office is obviously not a central component of the government, it simply was operated by the government in the past because it was useful to have as a basic service to serve the economy.
We can have voting on a merkle tree, each person gets exactly one token. If they lose it they can recover it with friends etc.
We can automate safety nets and payouts using technology, and calculate the consumer price index.
We could have direct democracy or each person could select their delegate.
We can start on a local community level.
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#235If it wasn't already posted:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So you don't reckon representative democracy works at all. What do you mean by "works"? A violent dictatorship with a genocide here and there works perfectly fine, depending on your definition of "works". > In which case what is there to talk about here? Priorities. Should the priority be to discuss the importance of encryption. Or should the priority be to discuss the importance of means to influence decisions abo…
> You mean literally losing a hand or an eye as a yellow vest? Or something like that? Nah. Meh, thanks. Not the best option I would say. Tell that to the Hong Kong protesters.
No need to go all the way to Hong Kong for examples. There's been plenty of violence by security forces with 100's of heavily wounded and a few deaths in the yellow vest protests in France recently. Here's a partial list up until January this year: https://www.liberation.fr/apps/2019/01/la-carte-des-gilets-j...
We're talking people losing their hand(s), eye(s) or dying here.
Same for the Barcelona protests (non yellow vests).
You'll have to search quite a bit to find articles on those if you live in "the West", but yeah they do happen.
On topic: if only Macron and Winnie the Pooh could somehow circumvent the encryption of those pesky protesters...
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#237I disagree with the tone of the comments here. Encryption is scary. Of course law enforcement is dismayed by the possibility that certain kinds of crimes could leave behind no trace at all. What these people, who want to regulate encryption, don't seem to understand is that this is the downside of living in a free society. In a free society, people can commit crimes, and sometimes they can get away with them. We've m…
> don't seem to understand is that this is the downside of living in a free society No, what they don’t understand is that the cryptography that protects your bank account is the exact same cryptography that (supposedly) makes law enforcement difficult. There’s no way to separate the two, any more than you can separate the arithmetic that is responsible for updating your bank account from the arithmetic that is respo…
Of course there's a way to separate them. Let banks do what they like and obstruct everyone else in some way. As another poster phrased the argument: "Corporations should have access to strong encryption, just not little people."
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does that change anything? If you have a dictator control a thousand computers or a thousand humans, the result is that the dictator has the power. The post office is obviously not a central component of the government, it simply was operated by the government in the past because it was useful to have as a basic service to serve the economy.
We can have voting on a merkle tree, each person gets exactly one token. If they lose it they can recover it with friends etc. We can automate safety nets and payouts using technology, and calculate the consumer price index. We could have direct democracy or each person could select their delegate. We can start on a local community level.
Which sounds like you are saying that we should strengthen individual power ... so how is that the opposite of anything I said?
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here is one particularly shocking example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_sex_crimes_case
It's interesting to note that this abuser was caught precisely because people looked at the images of the abuse and figured out that they had to be from the Netherlands. I suspect that this describes a non-trivial portion of successful prosecutions - especially of those responsible for a lot of abuse, as with this case.
Yes, typically it is a bunch of coincidences that allows these cases to be solved. It's incredible the scale at which they operated and how long they got away with it.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
The bigger problem the police have is not that they don't have enough cases go after, it is that they already are overwhelmed by the cases they do have and the fact that those departments are typically understaffed and overworked. It takes a special kind of person to be exposed to this crap on a daily basis and still be able to function, employee turnover is - not surprisingly - high and the effectiveness is relative…
> employee turnover is - not surprisingly - high Is it? From a quick search, I cannot find any academic papers that support this claim. However, I see some news articles that claim this. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0735648X.2011.63... https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/104398621140589... This paper mentions "turnover intentions", which seems broadly defined in the methodologies. https://link…
That's just going by the people that I knew that worked in this field and the fact that suicides are yet another form of turnover. Ronald, RIP.