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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by prepend »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #180
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

This seems like a great alternative funding model for the web. Modern online advertising has a lot of issues (privacy, intrusiveness) but most users don't want to directly pay for the sites they browse either (i.e. the subscription model). By displaying ads controlled by the browser rather than the website, the user gets a lot more control over the ads they see (solving the privacy and intrusiveness problem), while s…

> They can just as easily block ads and not replace that revenue with anything, which is actually the default behavior.

This is important. I’m already blocking ads. Brave at least let’s me give something back.

There is no world where I don’t run the strictest ad blocker available.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by fastball »

wjoe wrote: post #117
Hamcha wrote: post #22

I've used Brave since March, and I'm really not impressed. For a browser that tries to be different, it's incredible how little consideration has been given to things that annoy users and that could probably be trivial to remove. To be more specific, my issues with Brave are: - Still uses the Chrome Web Store as main store - Does not have an easy way to load packaged extensions from 3rd party sources - Even after add…

> I always saw Brave as "not chrome, and not as much of a change as Firefox" It seems more like "Chrome, with some plugins" than anything else. It's a shame really, I like the concept of the BAT project, I'd be interested in using it as a plugin for Firefox, but I'm not interested enough to switch browsers and lose all the features and plugins I'm used to in Firefox.

What features and plugins for FF do you not want to lose by switching to a Chromium browser?

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Post by EpicEng »

mantap wrote: post #149
hombre_fatal wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably you are viewing ads on a website that is giving you some sort of value so you aren't doing it for free.

In my experience the most valuable websites have few ads and the most trashy websites have the most.

So why are you frequenting these 'trashy' sites? If you are, it must be because they offer some value, right? If you're not... then you don't see any ads from them. Someone else will, because they find value in the site.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by lern_too_spel »

fastball wrote: post #218
NelsonMinar wrote: post #200

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Brave is unethical. The key problem is they insert themselves into the revenue stream without the consent of the web publishers. It's fine to block ads entirely, but substituting your own ads and collecting money from that is wrong.

I'm not sure I see the clear cut ethical dilemma you do. Option 1. block all ads, publishers receive no revenue. Option 2. block all ads, user opts in to unrelated ads, user can choose to give some of the proceeds of seeing those ads to publishers they utilize. How can (2) possibly be worse than (1)?

Because it inserts a middleman who takes a cut that the publisher did not enter into an agreement with. If it was just users giving to publishers, that would be fine. Having a middleman hold the publisher's monetization hostage is ethically dubious for the middleman.

Consider that I could pirate a movie, or I could pirate it and pay the creators directly, leaving out the distributors the creators contracted with. I fully agree that the second is slightly more ethical than the first, even though the creator agreed to neither. The problem occurs when some Tube site distributes the videos without the creators' consent, collects money from the viewers, takes a cut, and passes the rest to the creator. The Tube site is ethically wrong.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by EpicEng »

nfoz wrote: post #222
znpy wrote: post #196

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Because you're probably not paying for 99% of the contents that your web browser loads.

If you don't want to provide free content then stop publishing on the web, a free medium.

Hey, remember OTA television? That is also a free medium. Where did this notion come from?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by 0xfeba »

hinkley wrote: post #160
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

You had me... > Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system outside of the page. and then you lost me. Hitting people with notifications is an escalation of ad hostility, not a reduction.

They are working on ... interstitial or browser chrome ads IIRC.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by fastball »

viach wrote: post #205

> You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if you watch a particular YouTube channel 30% of your browsing time, it will send 30% of 10 BAT each month to that content creator. If you would own a video streaming service (a startup!) and some company started to pay your users for viewing ads on your platform in some MagicMoneyCoins putting your pocket outside the cash f…

Yeah, having seen all the useless previous attempts at paying users to watch/click ads, I'm not particularly hopeful for the long-term prospects of that system.

Seems like it might be better to just force the user to disburse those funds to the sites they visit.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by czbond »

ajhurliman wrote: post #210
hinkley wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You had me... > Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system outside of the page. and then you lost me. Hitting people with notifications is an escalation of ad hostility, not a reduction.

100% agree. I tried the program but the ads are incredibly obnoxious. I really wanted to like it, but I just didn't.

I think the good thing about your statement - is it tells me it's simply a product iteration or user experience modification. Those can be simple

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by nfoz »

EpicEng wrote: post #235
nfoz wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't want to provide free content then stop publishing on the web, a free medium.

Hey, remember OTA television? That is also a free medium. Where did this notion come from?

And you have the freedom to block/skip ads from your TV, too.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by Angeo34 »

songshuu wrote: post #92
Angeo34 wrote: post #75

Whoever uses Brave for "privacy" reasons should understand that Chrome offers more privacy due to fingerprintability. I see the downvotes coming yet it is true check it for yourself. Brave is so easy to fingerprint compared to Chrome it defeats any purpose ever to use Brave in the first place if privacy is your main goal. Removing all the Google bits from the Chromium base doesn't help since you are so fingerprintabl…

If you're talking about the canvas id fingerprint which is identical across all instances of the browser, that lets Brave users hide in the crowd, so it's literally more private. Panopticlick needs to update their docs to make that clearer.

There are billion of vectors that are still fingerprintable. Best examples are fonts and window decorations. And these cannot be fixed by Brave without increasing entropy. And brave should know this.
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