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Re: Instagram now forces people to sign in to view public profiles

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> “This is to help people see photos on Instagram and then understand how to get the best Instagram experience by being part of the community, connecting and interacting with the people and things they love,” the company told Adweek. Why would you say something like this? And why, as a journalist, would you report it? It's a transparent lie; nobody is going to be taken in by it. So why bother even saying it?

It's not a lie (as that statement is possibly true), but it is a deception as it doesn't tell the whole story.

"So, what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."

I think we'll find that their numbers are saying the loss of revenue of people leaving because they have to always login is far less than the uptick in revenue to be made from the changes this will allow. They rolled this out weeks ago in Australia, and would have been watching for the backlash.

I think (the following is pure speculation) this is just a first step of a number of changes around monetisation. This basically locks the backdoor, where they prevent people not on the platform from browsing feeds for free.

The real change is going to be when users (celebrities and businesses mostly) find they have to pay to reach all of their followers (who surprise, surprise now have to be logged in). They may not require "boosting" for under 1000 (or even 10,000) followers which will keep most users and wannabee influencers on the platform, even if they have to give a couple of dollars to Instagram when they push a product. You may find the advertisers end up just paying more.

It's the mega-users with multi-million followers they want to monetise, Users who get paid 10-100s thousands of dollars per post where Instagram doesn't get a cut despite being the delivery platform. Compared to what it costs for advertising on traditional media such as radio or TV, even a dollar to reach 10,000 followers would be nothing.

But you can't enforce payment when their followers can simply logout and view the feed for free. I would expect the popup appearing immediately rather than after a few scrolls to be implemented soon.

Re: Instagram now forces people to sign in to view public profiles

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They also use meta robots=noimageindex,noarchive on every page without an opt-out which is so incredibly stupid and walled-gardeny for an image sharing site. I wanted to use Flickr instead but nobody else uses Flickr, then I tried making my own image gallery and I learned that browsers do not honor the JPEG rotation EXIF data and I don't want to write my own rotation/cropping code (that and Google completely ignores…

As a viewer (not sharer), I find unsplash to be very enjoyable and not getting in my way https://unsplash.com/ And then there is also 500px, a bit more controlled but still very nice in my opinion.

I was very upset with 500px when they abruptly stopped allowing Creative Commons licenses and forced me to re-license my existing photos on the service.

Frankly I'm also slightly annoyed with Unsplash for reinventing the wheel with their own license instead of using standard CC licenses, reducing compatibility with other free culture projects.

Re: Instagram now forces people to sign in to view public profiles

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post #105

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Kay man, surely all my friends will be there

> Fan: Why don't you follow anyone on twitter? > Eminem: Always be a leader not a follower. https://twitter.com/emin3mquotez/status/415206423342366720 That aside, if not now, when? If not us, who? Someone has to start it. None of my friend were on FB when I joined it.

The sad reality is nobody wants to use a platform that their friends mostly aren't on.

Nobody really uses facebook because it's just so amazing, but because almost all of their friends and family are using it. (and facebook groups, many, many people use facebook for organizing meetups because it's free and... everyone's on it). It's familiar and easy, no complex things like federated servers to choose from. Just one central site.

In real life I told some friends I left facebook/twitter, and they were like "ok". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Few people are just going to stop communication with their social group over principles or whatever. I stopped using facebook because I was fed up, but it sucked not being in the group chats for the communities that I was involved in. I had to work harder to keep abreast of what was going on, and it still wasn't the same. If I had kept on organizing and hosting events it would've been impossible.

Things like meetups are possible on meetup.com, etc, for sure, but now I'm not privy to anything on facebook, and I have to pay to have my own group. Very few people are going to make that decision. I know people who still have fake accounts just to access fb groups, but not deal with the rest of facebook.

Bridges are likely the only feasible way forward, but even though mastodon has one for twitter adoption hasn't really happened.

Re: Instagram now forces people to sign in to view public profiles

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Instagram also shut down their public api last year and are deprecating the graph api in a week. (5 Nov) https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instagram-api/ The new api has no access to consumer (non-Business or non-Creator) instagram accounts.

If Facebook offers a public API, people will complain that Facebook hasn't learned their lesson from Cambridge analytica. If they don't, then they're accused of having a walled garden. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

CA had access to information they never should've had. Just like phone apps having access to a Contacts API that they never should have that kind of access to.

Having a tightly managed API would be just fine.

Re: Instagram now forces people to sign in to view public profiles

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Instagram also shut down their public api last year and are deprecating the graph api in a week. (5 Nov) https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instagram-api/ The new api has no access to consumer (non-Business or non-Creator) instagram accounts.

Yup, I recently tweeted about this. Their previous API was much more pleasant to work with. IMO a 'personal use only' account type with a limited data scope would be a great option to have. Thus far, I can't get my 'app' authorized for personal use despite it being only for a page on my blog. I've given up trying to use their API. I'd like to just scrape my photos now but I'm not sure if even that's a possibility.

https://twitter.com/jonlprd/status/1184547466244448257

Re: Instagram now forces people to sign in to view public profiles

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Their new 'facebook' API is almost an impossible option now for personal use. Their previous API was much more pleasant to work with. IMO a 'personal use only' account type with a limited data scope would be a great option to have. Thus far, I can't get my 'app' authorized for personal use despite it being only for a page on my blog. I've given up trying to use their API. I'd like to just scrape my photos now but I'm not sure if even that's a possibility.

https://twitter.com/jonlprd/status/1184547466244448257

Re: Instagram now forces people to sign in to view public profiles

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post #97

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What about Twitter? I just created an account with an email but after few minutes of clicking around it locked me out. I can only use it again if I give them my phone number, too -.- As if this wasn't enough of their invasive procedures my profile officially says "Account is blocked because of suspicious behavior". This is some advanced trickery to fool users into giving them more data than they intended to do when c…

fwiw, this has happened to me a few times with fresh twitter accounts. In my experience, if you care enough and have the time, you will probably be able to get support to unblock your account without handing over your phone number. I'm not saying this to defend twitter, this is definitely some aggressive, disingenuous behavior.

I just wrote a message to support and I will keep you posted about any updates.

Just to be sure I also ordered a free SIM card so I have a spam phone for these kinds of services.

Thank you for the advice.

Re: Instagram now forces people to sign in to view public profiles

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post #104
post #97

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What about Twitter? I just created an account with an email but after few minutes of clicking around it locked me out. I can only use it again if I give them my phone number, too -.- As if this wasn't enough of their invasive procedures my profile officially says "Account is blocked because of suspicious behavior". This is some advanced trickery to fool users into giving them more data than they intended to do when c…

I think Twitter does that for some email services, definitely saw that behaviour with ProtonMail and Tutanota, Gmail was safe to use then (a couple of years ago, when I wanted to create a secondary account).

Ok as my domain is newly registered that could be a valid reason probably.

It's a TLD and no service like ProtonMail. Gmail would be the next party I don't want to share information with - I know those are complicated preferences from a "normal" point of view but I don't like to spread my data too much.

Re: Instagram now forces people to sign in to view public profiles

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It takes a couple of hours to write code to handle exif rotations.

So why can't browsers handle it? Now that I think about it, browser image viewers are pretty basic...

Relevant Chromium bug: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=56845

It works fine when you open the image directly, but it will not apply EXIF corrects for inline images ( tag). There are JS libraries that load the image as file data to read the EXIF data and apply the correct rotation, but those fail in some cases (HTTPS trying to load data for an HTTP-linked image, for example).

Re: Instagram now forces people to sign in to view public profiles

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post #86

Support the federated alternative that is being built based on the same technology (ActivityPub) as Mastodon and Peertube. [1] https://pixelfed.org/ [2] https://github.com/pixelfed/pixelfed

Overview of the available instances: https://fediverse.network/pixelfed https://the-federation.info/pixelfed App with Pixelfed support for Android: https://fedilab.app/ Public profiles are public on Pixelfed: https://pixelfed.social/ubports

Will pixelfed ever support "stories" ? I kind of became addicted to stories on Instagram, although I admit the old gallery-only is less stressful
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