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Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by Someone1234 »

Razengan wrote: post #224
Illniyar wrote: post #60

They kind of bury the lead here. They can't have their app on the appstore because: " While we still updated our applications in time, Apple did not review them for the AppStore, and instead rejected them first for a crash (sigh!), and later for requiring UI changes, including showing a Save As panel for each generated file. Now this may not sound like much, this is a serious issue for a document scan application whi…

> instead rejected them first for a crash (sigh!) As a user, I'm glad Apple did that. As a developer, the one thing that I do dislike about Apple, is the dismal state of their documentation on how to actually take advantage of all their platforms' features. I have to begrudgingly admit that their nemesis Microsoft has always been way ahead in that department.

In context though it is still Apple's issue:

> After releasing the Catalina Golden Master build to developers on October the 3rd, we immediately finished fixing any new crash and issue we could find over the weekend. In our opinion, leaving developer just four (4!) days over a weekend with a public release on October the 7th is not very professional. While we still updated our applications in time, Apple did not review them for the AppStore, and instead rejected them first for a crash (sigh!), [...]

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by Illniyar »

phinnaeus wrote: post #134
Illniyar wrote: post #60

They kind of bury the lead here. They can't have their app on the appstore because: " While we still updated our applications in time, Apple did not review them for the AppStore, and instead rejected them first for a crash (sigh!), and later for requiring UI changes, including showing a Save As panel for each generated file. Now this may not sound like much, this is a serious issue for a document scan application whi…

FYI: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/lede

FYI: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/bury-the-lede-...

I'll keep using the actual word , thank you.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by p_l »

heyoni wrote: post #155
pjmlp wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Europeans and Asians using Symbian, J2ME and Docomo handsets weren't regular consumers?

Why are you pretending you don’t understand what he’s trying to say. Those aren’t phones most people have heard of, and when they did exist, living without them was easy.

When iPhone arrived in Europe it was disappointment for people who used smartphones. It had few things going for it (better web browser than default IE Mobile on PDAs, better screen than many), and long list of "works worse".

Starting with the basic things that everyone who invested in smartphones at the time wanted, i.e. email, going through hilariously high cost (the reason behind it known only to insiders - Apple was in full rent-seeking mode, and required a portion of your phone bill as payment for being able to use iPhone. Not joking, that's why there were special iPhone-only tarriffs), it lacked physical keyboard, copy&paste, and a bunch of other things. iPhone 2G was also slower at running iOS 1.0 "applications" than higher end Nokia symbian phones (that used the same webkit core in browser).

Symbian devices were well known, and were more commonly considered "smartphones", as "palmphones" generally only got interest from people who really needed the power (a bit of chicken&egg issue).

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

cameronbrown wrote: post #104
SyneRyder wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering Microsoft cut their percentage take to 5% on the Microsoft Store [1], it shows that Apple is really charging 30% just because developers keep letting them get away with it. [1] https://download.cnet.com/news/microsoft-store-slashes-reven...

That's because nobody uses the Microsoft Store.

If the software I want is on it then I use it, while Mac App Store is an inferior experience to a downloaded app + update framework like Sparkle I've found Microsoft Store far superior to software updaters and installers that usually ship on Windows and it works much faster and smoother than the Mac App Store which is very janky.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by pjmlp »

sbuk wrote: post #206
pjmlp wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because everyone outside US have heard of them. US was the only market where Nokia had troubles selling their Symbian/J2ME phones for example. Should I start digging market shares figures of feature phones before iPhone came to be?

> Because everyone outside US have heard of them. They really haven't. > Should I start digging market shares figures of feature phones before iPhone came to be? At this juncture, yes.

By all means, is 64 million shippments in 2006, the year before iPhone came to the market enough?

https://www.canalys.com/newsroom/64-million-smart-phones-shi...

Incredible how iOS fanbase tries to rewrite history.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by Someone1234 »

phinnaeus wrote: post #134
Illniyar wrote: post #60

They kind of bury the lead here. They can't have their app on the appstore because: " While we still updated our applications in time, Apple did not review them for the AppStore, and instead rejected them first for a crash (sigh!), and later for requiring UI changes, including showing a Save As panel for each generated file. Now this may not sound like much, this is a serious issue for a document scan application whi…

FYI: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/lede

Both are considered correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_paragraph#Spelling

In fact your own link indicates that too.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by ProZsolt »

I gave up on App Store as a user. I only use it for system updates an Apple software (eg. Pages)

I just use Homebrew.

- It has all the software I use not just 50%

- If not I can easy ad it.

- With bundler, I can set up my new computer super easy

- If somebody dislikes the CLI there is Cakebrew

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by awinder »

taurath wrote: post #26
epse wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paying for updates has been the standard software model for ages, and with good reason. It still takes money to update and add new features. It still takes time. To some extent new users can pay for this, but then developers have to severely limit the time spent on updates in order to nod spend too much, or they risk not even making a profit on the first version. That is why most "big" software packages these days ar…

And Apple taking 30% of that... for what? Payment processing is a 4% thing. It’s in the app developers interest to make it not have errors. It’s just for access to the market. That is the only value Apple truly brings, outside of the brand and a privacy commitment

30% is high but it’s not just payment processing, it’s payment fraud insulation, download bandwidth, and marketplace amplification (people finding your app without knowing they’re looking for your app).

Apple also drops subscription costs from the second year on to 15% which is coming back to reality. I personally find the subscription model way more sustainable & less user hostile than the paid versioning upgrade model, the grand majority of the industry is also in agreement there. So there’s a lot of bad smells from this developer that they just want to run a shoddy business and not that there’s a big problem with Apple.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

dijit wrote: post #51
sschueller wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple Does not refund the fee? That's insane! On top of that I need to pay apple $100 per year to keep my app in the store. Even PayPal has been refunding the transaction fees (at least until recently).

Not sure about the App Store, but I think the parent was talking about steam. Steam does not refund the 30%.

This must be very damaging to companies, especially with the PC gamer culture of abusing things like refund systems as some forms of protest.
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