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India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Post by thewhitetulip »

sbmthakur wrote: post #89
thewhitetulip wrote: post #5

I read that the maximum experiments are in the orbiter so this is a successful mission. The only thing for which it 'failed' was to let the ruling class do chest thumping by saying 'we are the fourth country to land a rover'. The ruling party had planned a great celebration today for it's 100 days in office, a date coinciding when the rover would land! They wanted to milk it for their nationalistic purposes while the…

The ruling class stood by the nation's scientists at the time of failure, which is not a norm in India. But again, I've seen people who hate Modi/BJP "celebrating" ISRO's failure on social media. So, this comment wasn't exactly surprising.

You see, ISRO is the poster boy for Indians. They are brilliant and hard working. Exactly opposite of any other govt org

So even if ISRO fails it is temporary. And we all are unconditionally proud of ISRO no matter what.

Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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shripadk wrote: post #93
thewhitetulip wrote: post #5

I read that the maximum experiments are in the orbiter so this is a successful mission. The only thing for which it 'failed' was to let the ruling class do chest thumping by saying 'we are the fourth country to land a rover'. The ruling party had planned a great celebration today for it's 100 days in office, a date coinciding when the rover would land! They wanted to milk it for their nationalistic purposes while the…

You are being disrespectful to the scientists who have been working on this project for 12 years with this asinine comment. Absolutely shameful and disgusting!

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Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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bigcloud1299 wrote: post #82
mayankkaizen wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am anti Modi but I so much wanted this mission to succeed. ISRO is the only organization in India which is doing great on global level. It was really irritating the moment Modi turned this mission into his PR gimmick. Had this mission succeeded, the public euphoria would have been something unparalleled. Recently public reactions to Pulwama attack (months of protesting, candle light marches), article 370 issue (peo…

I call complete utter bullshit on your anti modi hysteria.

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Re: India Loses Contact with Probe Just as It Prepares to Land on Moon

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Post by vinay427 »

coldtea wrote: post #71
nafey wrote: post #15

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Well let's revisit this statement in 500 years. Every decade has brought the world closer. Even the recent developments (brexit, trump) are reactions to increased pace of integration. You can find kfc, coca cola in socities as diverse as Mongolia and Madagascar. It will be extremely difficult to turn the clock back on this and this will only keep on intensifying in my opinion.

> Every decade has brought the world closer. Well, (1) there are more sovereign nations now than ever, (2) all the big empires (from Babylonian, to Alexander's, to Roman, to Byzantium, to Persian, to Incas, all the way to the Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, British and French colonial empires, USSR, and more) -aside from the Chinese and Indian who are more homogenous racially/culturally - have collapsed (3) there is way m…

> even centuries old countries like Canada, Belgium, UK, Spain, etc, still have infighting, and even votes to break up...

1. Not all of these are centuries old.

2. The fact that they generally agree on a legal system to bring about the changes each side wants by voting on these separatist policies within the scope of that agreed system is impressive in and of itself. They simply want some decisions about their government to be made by different people in a different place which is quite compatible with some hypothetical global federalist system.

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Post by sbmthakur »

mav3rick wrote: post #202
shripadk wrote: post #189

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> IMO leaders should let scientists focus in crunch time. What do you mean "focus"? The landing mission was not controlled by the scientists at all. The mission was taken over by the lander and was automated. The lander chose the landing spot and the trajectory. The scientists could do nothing but just monitor the data coming in. Modi being there or not being there would not have changed the outcome. So stop this can…

Please stop calling anyone who doesn't agree with you "left" brigade and "anti national". It insults everyone's intelligence. You don't know me or my political views. You know my opinion on this issue, let's stick to debating that. Modi's presence sure wouldn't make the lander land better. What if there are key decisions that need to be taken in some missions, in an emergency, would you want politicians looking over…

> Modi could have gone a day later and given a raucous congratulatory speech or a motivating speech.

That's not how it works. He had to attend some keys events in Maharashtra in official capacity for the rest of the day. He can't just drop in at any time even as a PM.

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Post by lovemenot »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #192
rjf72 wrote: post #91

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Tea is also a phenomenal example here since it's been so globally traded that it no longer even has a cultural identity. And then when you get into the age of sail you suddenly see a massive intercontinental trade of sugar/cotton/tobacco/coffee/etc. I also never understood why people seem to think that a multinational corporation selling stuff to different cultures is somehow doing anything but increasing the corpora…

Interesting fact: if tea arrived via land, it's nomenclature is rhyming with chai. If it arrived via the seas, it rhymes with tea.

Japan, an island nation, seems to be an exception.

Ocha rhymes with chai.

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Post by BurningCycles »

naravara wrote: post #94
rayiner wrote: post #44

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The post I’m responding to went beyond international cooperation to address the concept of exploring space as a “single human race.” As to your second point—no government today is as large in scope as say Rome, the British Empire, the Persian empire, etc. The long-term sustainability of the EU and US are also far from certain. As we saw with both, federalism doesn’t work. As soon as you have a single voting polity, p…

>s to your second point—no government today is as large in scope as say Rome, the British Empire, the Persian empire, etc. Utter hogwash. In terms of scale and intensiveness if state powers even small nations can easily outstrip the bureaucratic complexity of any ancient empire. The challenges of maintaining a welfare state is no small thing. And plenty of countries manage incredible amounts of diversity. India has 5…

>And plenty of countries manage incredible amounts of diversity. India has 50 official languages on its own, and that’s ignoring dialects and weird subgroups.

Indo-Aryan is spoken by ~74% of India, with Dravidian spoken by ~24% of India. So in practice the real-life language diversity is very small.

As for 'managing diversity', India has historically 'solved' this through a caste system, not a solution I would propose.

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