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Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by blub »

BeetleB wrote: post #176
mAEStro-paNDa wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That it is due to a vocal minority doesn't mean it is due to this vocal minority. Not all vocal minorities are equal, and nor should all vocal minorities be treated alike. This is obvious and should go without saying. The parent comment gave an example of a positive consequence of an instance of this so-called "vocal minority", since the grandparent comment left no room for any positive angle on this. I'm seriously…

>since the grandparent comment left no room for any positive angle on this. I do not see this. Grandparent said "a vocal minority", which I interpret as a specific vocal minority. Like when someone says "there is a vocal person in my team who is obnoxious" - it does not imply that all vocal people in all teams are obnoxious. My point was the example given by the person I responded to is kind of irrelevant. Yes, vocal…

It's not irrelevant at all. The ex-Google poster was using the fact that only a minority of Google employees are fighting for those causes to dismiss their views.

I countered by saying that vocal minorities were able to achieve great things in the past, so implicitly their arguments should be evaluated on their merit.

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by manfredo »

humanrebar wrote: post #193
andrew_ wrote: post #80

It's disappointing that the author didn't take the opportunity to choose language that didn't provide a distinct slant to the article. An objective tone would have been totally achievable and this would've been marked as a fairly good summation of a rather tumultuous few years for the giant.

But half-credit for the summary of Demore's views. It was surprisingly even handed about that other than saying he thought women were per se neurotic. Tonally, it is telling that some personalities had descriptions of their emotional states (from what source?) while others only had their actions and opinions described.

One key misrepresentation:

> In the memo, Damore wrote that hiring practices aimed to increase diversity “can effectively lower the bar” at Google.

Damore wrote that Google "...lowered the bar by reducing the false negative rate." Unsurprisingly, almost every news outlet chopped off the last 6 works of the sentence.

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by 9q9 »

rmellow wrote: post #199
9q9 wrote: post #172

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Talmudic question: what's the average fertility rate of the clientele worrying about misgendering, and how does that average relate to civilization progressing through time?

(please google Talmudic questions before downvoting parent - they're asking for consistency in my example and that's fair) The utility of the example I gave depends on your moral values [1], which admittedly was crafted for the perceived majority of the HN crowd. The example for me is a sign of respect for the freedom to be who you want to be, in contrast of imposing your morals on others. It's a sign of advancement…

The M/F/Congenitally-Infertile distinction is not an "arbitrary standard", but rather a natural kind, and the essence of reproduction of the species.

Morality is something we impose upon ourselves and others precisely to coordinate the polity, in order avoid or manage conflicts (e.g. driving on the left vs driving on the right).

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by mdorazio »

humanrebar wrote: post #193
andrew_ wrote: post #80

It's disappointing that the author didn't take the opportunity to choose language that didn't provide a distinct slant to the article. An objective tone would have been totally achievable and this would've been marked as a fairly good summation of a rather tumultuous few years for the giant.

But half-credit for the summary of Demore's views. It was surprisingly even handed about that other than saying he thought women were per se neurotic. Tonally, it is telling that some personalities had descriptions of their emotional states (from what source?) while others only had their actions and opinions described.

fwiw, "neurotic" in the way he used it was specifically the psychology definition, where it's one of the main personality traits in people. The popular definition doesn't really match this.

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by chepaslaaa »

joelx wrote: post #60
high_derivative wrote: post #42

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My inside-FAAMNG experience has been that most employees seem to be not interested in the politics and are primarily focused on doing good work (people in their 20s), or on putting in their 8 hours and going home to their families (people >30 mostly, of course they also want to do good work, just have additional new priorities in a young family). Then there is a vocal minority who leverage that no individual's perfor…

I agree completely with this. Keep in mind that true evil is MBS ordering the murder of journalist Khasshogi. True evil is invading and conquering Crimea. True evil is murdering your generals with anti-aircraft guns or watching dogs tear them apart while still alive. Serving banner ads across sites does not even remotely compare.

true evil is threatening countries who wont sell oil strictly for USD with nuclear warfare

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by lunias »

OrgNet wrote: post #233
lunias wrote: post #208

happiness = reality - expectations

if you expect reality, you have zero happiness?

Yes, but I interpret it as: you'd be content; no positive or negative change in happiness.

Of course it's just a pseudo equation.

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by OrgNet »

lunias wrote: post #238
OrgNet wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you expect reality, you have zero happiness?

Yes, but I interpret it as: you'd be content; no positive or negative change in happiness. Of course it's just a pseudo equation.

so if you expect more then reality, you have negative happiness because you will never get it?

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by lunias »

OrgNet wrote: post #239
lunias wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but I interpret it as: you'd be content; no positive or negative change in happiness. Of course it's just a pseudo equation.

so if you expect more then reality, you have negative happiness because you will never get it?

Yes, but not because you'll never get it. It's just that at that moment the reality of your situation is different than what you expected (in a negative way).
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