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Post by winter_blue »

bonzini wrote: post #229
winter_blue wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean EB-1. The O-1 is a temporary visa. Approvals of EB-1 are unfortunately highly subjective. It's like winning a lottery (based on who looks at your application).

O-1 is extensible, isn't it? You can get it first instead of H-1B, and then apply for a green card once you move to the US.

Yes, it can be extended any number of times. But each and every O-1 approval is also highly subjective and discretionary.

The standard is somewhat lower than EB-1. While EB-1 requires what Congress calls "extraordinary ability", the O-1 requires "exceptional ability".

Again, the way things work is that whichever officer looks at the case, subjectively decides if it qualifies (in his/her opinion).

Nothing like the highly-objective points-based skilled immigration system you have in some countries.

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Post by conanbatt »

HBKXNCUO wrote: post #230
conanbatt wrote: post #216

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> The "mono" part of "monopoly" disagrees with you. You are using a rhetorical definition, not an economics one. > its just as much rent as any positive effect on real wages. What does that matter? Economic efficiency is almost synonymous with reducing rents > They have tens of millions of people to buy from. Shocks to the supply curve change equilibrium points in markets. There's elasticity of demand/supply. > There…

>Economic efficiency is almost synonymous with reducing rents I wouldn't dispute that. >Shocks to the supply curve change equilibrium points in markets. There's elasticity of demand/supply. I'm not really sure what the relevance of that is, though I don't dispute that either. >Economic literature has been arguing the exact opposite for literally centuries. You yourself have stated that restricting the supply of docto…

If what you care about is something other than economic prosperity, you have to use other tools other than economic analysis. It's not a core problem of political economy to make a system where different interpretations of what social cohesion is and how to use economic policy to satisfy them.

Though the little that political economy does to touch those subjects it will tell you: the most cohesive and prosperous societies are those that respect life and liberty and allow people to trade amongst themselves as freely as possible, and that restrictions flame anger, dissent and war. I personally find it ridiculous to argue that making most of Americans poorer and sicker to protect the wages of doctors is socially cohesive.

Re: H-1B: Federal judge backs government’s narrower view of ‘specialty occupation’

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Post by HBKXNCUO »

conanbatt wrote: post #232
HBKXNCUO wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Economic efficiency is almost synonymous with reducing rents I wouldn't dispute that. >Shocks to the supply curve change equilibrium points in markets. There's elasticity of demand/supply. I'm not really sure what the relevance of that is, though I don't dispute that either. >Economic literature has been arguing the exact opposite for literally centuries. You yourself have stated that restricting the supply of docto…

If what you care about is something other than economic prosperity, you have to use other tools other than economic analysis. It's not a core problem of political economy to make a system where different interpretations of what social cohesion is and how to use economic policy to satisfy them. Though the little that political economy does to touch those subjects it will tell you: the most cohesive and prosperous soci…

>If what you care about is something other than economic prosperity, you have to use other tools other than economic analysis.

Right, it's a political issue. We are not slaves to an economic system; the economic system exists to serve us.

>the most cohesive and prosperous societies are those that respect life and liberty and allow people to trade amongst themselves as freely as possible

In which direction does the arrow of causality point?

>I personally find it ridiculous to argue that making most of Americans poorer and sicker to protect the wages of doctors is socially cohesive.

I certainly am not in favor of employing economic protectionism on behalf of high skilled workers exclusively. It should be used on behalf of low skilled workers as well. They are our countrymen; we have a shared destiny, and should put them before others as we would hope they would do for us and our posterity in times of trouble.

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Post by conanbatt »

HBKXNCUO wrote: post #233
conanbatt wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If what you care about is something other than economic prosperity, you have to use other tools other than economic analysis. It's not a core problem of political economy to make a system where different interpretations of what social cohesion is and how to use economic policy to satisfy them. Though the little that political economy does to touch those subjects it will tell you: the most cohesive and prosperous soci…

>If what you care about is something other than economic prosperity, you have to use other tools other than economic analysis. Right, it's a political issue. We are not slaves to an economic system; the economic system exists to serve us. >the most cohesive and prosperous societies are those that respect life and liberty and allow people to trade amongst themselves as freely as possible In which direction does the ar…

> I certainly am not in favor of employing economic protectionism on behalf of high skilled workers exclusively. It should be used on behalf of low skilled workers as well. They are our countrymen; we have a shared destiny, and should put them before others as we would hope they would do for us and our posterity in times of trouble.

I am willing to accept any proposal of protectionism and restriction you are willing to offer with one condition alone: that is done equally to all, or none at all. That is the equivalent to my original proposition that there should be no restrictions.

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