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Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by bhelkey »

ksec wrote: post #220
maxxxxx wrote: post #92

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Our whole society is based on trying to make things easy and convenient. So it shouldn’t come as a surprise that people have the same attitude towards traveling and nature. Iceland could fix this easily by making places less accessible but then the tourist money would stop flowing. In the end they have to make a choice. Limit accessibility or number of tourists and lose some money or accept the negative consequences…

Slightly Off topic ( Not relating to nature and bad behaviour ). We have far too many tourist problem everywhere, and some locals aren't too happy with it. Its not that they don't like tourist, there are just far too many. I have been wondering, if there are any bills, tax or something in similar effort to bring the cost up, like any market would do with high demand. In ways that government can collect and ( in theor…

Tourism represented 42.0% of the export of goods and services in Iceland [1]. I suspect that if the number of tourists fell significantly, they would be greatly missed by the locals.

[1] https://www.ferdamalastofa.is/en/recearch-and-statistics/tou...

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Post by dang »

shiven wrote: post #57
close04 wrote: post #47

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That escalated quickly. In law there is a principle of proportionality [0]. It's the reason why jaywalking isn't punished by 60 days in prison or by getting sent back to your country and banned from ever travelling to any country that has pedestrian crossings. Also laws should apply equally to everybody. How would such a law apply to locals? Withdraw citizenship? I think hitting them with fines or paying damages is a…

I don’t know which country you live in, but in the United States of America, all this talk of “fairness of law” is a fairytale at best. And no, you can’t convince me otherwise.

Nationalistic flamebait will get you banned here. Please don't post like this to HN.

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Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by dang »

asnack wrote: post #88
shiven wrote: post #57

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I don’t know which country you live in, but in the United States of America, all this talk of “fairness of law” is a fairytale at best. And no, you can’t convince me otherwise.

No needs to. You can live your life in ignorance all you want

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Post by vram22 »

bitxbitxbitcoin wrote: post #229
vram22 wrote: post #223

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It would make sense for them to get it based on the amount of profits their work generates.

Libras based on the value of ads FB sold while people were liking the post then.

Yes, I did get that chain (pun intended), but I thought GP meant it literally.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by maxxxxx »

ksec wrote: post #220
maxxxxx wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our whole society is based on trying to make things easy and convenient. So it shouldn’t come as a surprise that people have the same attitude towards traveling and nature. Iceland could fix this easily by making places less accessible but then the tourist money would stop flowing. In the end they have to make a choice. Limit accessibility or number of tourists and lose some money or accept the negative consequences…

Slightly Off topic ( Not relating to nature and bad behaviour ). We have far too many tourist problem everywhere, and some locals aren't too happy with it. Its not that they don't like tourist, there are just far too many. I have been wondering, if there are any bills, tax or something in similar effort to bring the cost up, like any market would do with high demand. In ways that government can collect and ( in theor…

A lot of places have permissions you need to buy. If these are more expensive you get less people but I am not sure where the sweet spot is between less people and still making money.

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Post by magduf »

randogogogo wrote: post #226
magduf wrote: post #203

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What they need is a "stupid hiker fee". Some states require hikers to buy a hiking pass, and the fees for this fund rescues, but if someone doesn't get the pass and needs to be rescued, they can be charged the entire cost of the rescue.

This sound an awful lot like insurance.

Basically, that's what it is. The park or local government is selling these "passes" which really amount to insurance, so that that government has the money to pay for rescues if they need to (or if rescuees don't/can't pay), and maybe also for other expenses involved in park upkeep. "Use fees" for public parks are not uncommon. Virginia State parks generally charge such fees for parking, for instance, as does Grand Canyon NP.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by magduf »

maxxxxx wrote: post #221
magduf wrote: post #210

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What they really need to do is come up with a "preferred tourist visa", where people (regardless of national origin) are only able to get this after being interviewed to make sure they're properly respectful of the local culture and environment, and if they get caught doing something wrong (like littering, going into off-limits areas or past safety barriers, etc.), get their good-tourist visa revoked. Interested coun…

You could build this on China's social credit system...

It would be similar. Any "vouching" system is kinda like this, and how useful the system is depends on how much you trust the entity that does the vouching.

If you don't like China's social credit system, what do you think of America's "TSA PreCheck" system? It doesn't bar people from traveling, but it does give special privileges to some.

I honestly don't see a problem if some countries decided to cooperate and implement their own "tourist blacklist" system to keep out tourists who have proven to cause problems: it's their right to refuse entry to any non-citizen they wish.

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Post by jstarfish »

dasloop wrote: post #141
lm28469 wrote: post #91

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> There are immaculately clean cities in east asia Isn't it because they have armies of cleaning people in the streets ? A friend of mine told me about it, I think he was in South Korea, Seoul perhaps, at the time. He told me people mostly act the same but their cities are more efficient at cleaning the mess before it piles up. I don't know if there are other laws similar to that [0] but it probably explain some beha…

Not in Japan. No armies of cleaning people are required.

What? They literally keep an army of senior citizens employed on municipal crews to pick up trash and scrape gum off of surfaces.

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Post by rtkaratekid »

serpix wrote: post #197
rtkaratekid wrote: post #161

It's not just Iceland. My wife and I typically travel for the outdoors and we are extremely impact conscious. I've noticed a significant growth in outdoor activity in the last ten years or so. Along with the that growth I've noticed more trash, more people going off established trails when they shouldn't (I'm not 100% anti off-trail travel), more disrespect for others who are trying to escape into nature, more people…

The key is accessibility. If you have a good road then you get people who treat nature as bad as themselves. The higher up without accessible road or further in towards tougher trails and you start to have people there who have the will and stamina to be there and take the necessary precautions.

I agree. The higher the non-money relate commitment of getting to a location the fewer people I see. The ones I do see are generally people who have greater respect for where they are. Unfortunately I think that many wonderful places have fallen victim to the "easy to get to" issue.
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