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Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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What do you mean?

I can't message my friends on Snapchat from Instagram, but I can call my friends on T-Mobile and ATT from Verizon. Phone companies shenanigans go back a long way, so there are more than a few lawsuits involved, in order to get to our current state for calling.

I think what you're proposing is essentially the Graph API?

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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A partial distributed solution would be for trusted sites to vouch for a hash of the video file, and the browser to be configured to flag or filter untrusted content. E.g. NYT, the DNC, Pelosi's own site, etc., would flag a hash of a file as valid. Those sites would be aggregated into a web of trust. Users subscribe to nodes of that web, e.g. I trust reporter A, celebrity B, newspaper C, advocacy group D ... and thei…

Wouldn't something like this further polarize the web? ie what is to stop Alex Jones from setting up his own node? Or what if the RNC and DNC mark the same article about climate change as fake / not fake, respectively?

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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Because that is the role they have chosen by becoming a non neutral information distributor.

The medium is the message, study the medium and it's effects on how information is distributed. The genie is out of the bottle. Unless you want a 1984 style propaganda you have to accept that media is different from 10 years ago and it'll never be the same.

You are right, it will never be the same. However I reject that the only alternative is 1984. The medium (facebook, social media) is malleable, the current choices are turned up to "engage 10" but this is only one of a range of options. Manufacturing can be run to pollute rivers, the air, kill folks, but with some short term costs manufacturing can be cleaned up. Social media is the same. Just as Shell and BP should be loaded with the cost of carbon hitting the atmosphere Facebook should be loaded with the cost of destroying civil society.

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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I feel like “having their fun” is a bit of a disingenuous means of describing discourse touching billions of people which has resulted in several awful real world situations such as measles outbreaks, discrimination, negative self worth, and even murder around the globe.

I don't really see any relation that would conclude lacking content control as the root cause of these randomly selected issues.

Are they randomly selected if they're all issues for which a root cause can be traced to ingesting Facebook content?

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I think the platform should be held liable if it causes damage to individuals by spreading false information about them. For example we could start by handing out fines to platforms if they do not remove damaging or false information in timely manner. I don't think the platform needs to go entirely, I just think it needs to get an incentive, financially for starters, if it fails to adhere to standards set by legislat…

In your ideal case, lets say that Facebook identifies some content that it believes is spreading false information about somebody. Should Facebook be allowed to remove it? If no: Facebook is being fined for not taking an action that it is not allowed to take, which I can't imagine you are advocating for. If yes: Facebook is now the arbiter of what information gets to be seen (on Facebook), which you didn't want. A th…

We all know that when people talk about coercion of removal of online content, they're talking about content they deem worthy of removal.

You can avoid cognitive dissonance if you assume you have the "right" perspective on how to bucket content into two groups, acceptable and unacceptable, and that the bucketing made by regulators will be identical to yours, since it's clearly the only objectively correct one. Of course, this is so far from reality if such a thing were to be implemented that it's not worth taking seriously.

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