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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by gibolt »

georgerobinson wrote: post #213
_ea1k wrote: post #187

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I drive a sports car on public roads. Straight, level, boring public roads with low speed limits. Straight line is basically the only thing that matters 90% of the time. For the other 10% of the time, the difference between a Tesla and the ICE equivalent still doesn't matter or possibly even favors the instant response of the electric drivetrain.

It sounds like you're just not driving on the right public roads. In the US, to name just a couple, there are: - Hells Canyon, Idaho - Saddle Road, Hawaii - Mulholland Highway, California - Route 9W to Storm King Highway, New York - Route 348, Helen, Georgia - M119, Harbor Springs, Michigan - Highway 1, Big Sur, California In the UK: - Horncastle to Louth - Cat and Fiddle - Evo Triangle - Forres to Alford - Black Mou…

Those probably are not the 90% case

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Post by Dirlewanger »

asaph wrote: post #41
jak92 wrote: post #29

I'd like a tesla but not comfortable with their data policy. If tesla provides a way to opt out I may consider a base model 3 in the future.

There is a way to opt out. It's a setting within the vehicle.

Is it an actual opt-out or is it a Google-esque not-actually-off opt-out?

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Post by mrweasel »

bluedino wrote: post #147
mrweasel wrote: post #62

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I don't know about Switzerland, but renting a car is pretty expensive in some countries. So buying something like a Tesla, or another car, with high resale value may be the better deal, even if you only need it for a month or two a year.

In the USA you can get a Ford Fusion from $40-$50 a day with unlimited miles. And that's not including special prices or discounts

I believe that in Denmark it's closer to $120 per day, 100km included for a small car (European small, not US small).

It's financially viable to go to Germany and rent a car and drive from there, if you need to drive around in Europe.

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Post by qubitcoder »

bluedino wrote: post #146
ryanhuff wrote: post #90

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One reason I do is to avoid the mileage I put on a vacation car. I could travel 1,500 miles across several states while on a vacation trip. That’s 1-2 months of normal driving that I instead put on rental car for about $150.

1,5000 miles * 0.50 = $750 even subtracting gasoline (25mpg @ $3.00/gal) $180 you're still coming out like $500 ahead vs wear and tear on your car

Plenty of rental car companies offer unlimited mileage (especially in the US, Avis in particular).

I spent nearly a decade as a consultant traveling extensively throughout the US and Europe--and unlimited mileage rentals could be had for a reasonable and often surprisingly cheap price. I never understood why people opted to pay by the mile.

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Post by georgerobinson »

gibolt wrote: post #231
georgerobinson wrote: post #213

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It sounds like you're just not driving on the right public roads. In the US, to name just a couple, there are: - Hells Canyon, Idaho - Saddle Road, Hawaii - Mulholland Highway, California - Route 9W to Storm King Highway, New York - Route 348, Helen, Georgia - M119, Harbor Springs, Michigan - Highway 1, Big Sur, California In the UK: - Horncastle to Louth - Cat and Fiddle - Evo Triangle - Forres to Alford - Black Mou…

Those probably are not the 90% case

Of course, but an enthusiast doesn't purchase a sports car for the 90% case, it's purchased for the 10% case - road trips to some of the best driving roads in the world.

If you just want a flash car to get to work and back well that's different. And if you just want to go fast between the lights then a Tesla is genuinely the best car for you.

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Post by georgerobinson »

zwily wrote: post #164
yason wrote: post #149

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Choosing Tesla is easy if all you care about is 0-100 km/h performance. However, not everyone do that.

It’s not just 0-100. Driving an EV is just more fun. (IMO of course).

More fun compared to what? A 911 GT3? Challenger Hellcat? Toyota Corolla?

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Post by StudentStuff »

tzs wrote: post #210
trca wrote: post #63

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I have a Model 3 and have gone on multiple long-distance road trips (>1,000 mile) with it. It's an absolute pleasure to drive with AutoPilot. Plus, most people already stop every 3-4 hours for bathroom/food breaks anyway, so if you use the in-car nav system (Google Maps), it will make it so those stops are at superchargers. The supercharger stops are almost always in high-density places with plenty of restaurants and…

Are there any problem on long trips if it is to some event that is drawing a lot of people? A couple years ago, when I was planning a trip to the middle of some rural area to see a total solar eclipse, I checkout out of curiosity what the electric charger situation was to see what the trip would be like in an EV. At the time the Tesla network was sparse enough in that area that you'd need to get pretty full charges t…

Having done this drive after the eclipse (and beaten the wave of traffic back to Portland on US-26), using a Model S you might have been able to make it, definitely with the P85 battery pack and no AC (which was not necessary in Madras).

The main concern would be not getting trapped in traffic hell, like any other driver. Getting slightly north of Madclipse and other camps, then immediately getting on the road post-eclipse meant almost empty roads for us. Alternatively, waiting till that evening to leave worked for our friends.

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Post by StudentStuff »

Hatamatarat wrote: post #227
trca wrote: post #63

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I have a Model 3 and have gone on multiple long-distance road trips (>1,000 mile) with it. It's an absolute pleasure to drive with AutoPilot. Plus, most people already stop every 3-4 hours for bathroom/food breaks anyway, so if you use the in-car nav system (Google Maps), it will make it so those stops are at superchargers. The supercharger stops are almost always in high-density places with plenty of restaurants and…

Wow, I wished I lived in a developed country too. Random road trips? AutoPilot? Random stops at high-density places to get ready for the next leg of the trip? Seriously, what kind of heaven do you people live in? I can't even travel 2 kilometers without getting lost in unhabitable middle of nowheres or being asked for a visa and turned back.

Where do you live? The US is a big country, you can drive for days just to cross between states, no passport required.

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Post by Domenic_S »

sailfast wrote: post #61
Reason077 wrote: post #34

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The Tesla Model 3 is very capable of long road trips, especially in the summer, with a range of 500km or more. The only exception would be if you’re driving in very remote areas with no charging infrastructure, but that almost doesn’t exist any more in Western Europe. The Tesla Supercharger network, combined with its ability to charge on CCS charging networks like Ionity, make it uniquely suited to long distance trav…

For a Model 3 even with readily available charging that still means ~1 hour waiting on a supercharger per charge, and you've gotta do that 2-3x to get from, say, Amsterdam to Kitzbuhel for a skiing road trip. Figure 15 Euro minimum to use the charger during that time? (I'm using range numbers and charging costs available on the web to run this calculation) I know it's _possible_ to get somewhere without range anxiety…

> that still means ~1 hour waiting on a supercharger per charge

In a normal car, you fill the tank to full, burn the gas until you're low, then fill it to full again.

EVs aren't the same way, and Teslas on road trips definitely aren't. You don't charge to 100% -- you charge only long enough to reach your next supercharger. Because of the charge curve, you charge at the fastest rate when your battery is low. If you try to charge to 100% every time like you'd do in a gas car, you're gonna have a bad time.

This was the hardest thing for me to get used to in daily driving -- you have to be opportunistic about charging. Whenever you can plug in, plug in. At 70% and there's an empty charger? Plug in. You'd never go to the gas station with a 70% full gas tank, but it's just a different beast altogether.

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Post by g4k »

ajross wrote: post #201
sailfast wrote: post #61

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For a Model 3 even with readily available charging that still means ~1 hour waiting on a supercharger per charge, and you've gotta do that 2-3x to get from, say, Amsterdam to Kitzbuhel for a skiing road trip. Figure 15 Euro minimum to use the charger during that time? (I'm using range numbers and charging costs available on the web to run this calculation) I know it's _possible_ to get somewhere without range anxiety…

> Amsterdam to Kitzbuhel for a skiing road trip That's a 10 hour drive! You're genuinely choosing a personal vehicle on its ability to drive literally all day? I mean, sure. Everyone has their own preferences. But this is a wildly beyond median data point. Most people will take a trip like this once every few years at most. The vast majority are going to look at that trip and fly/train and rent a car in Austria. Buy…

It is not incredibly rare. Many people from the Netherlands drive to Austria and Italy for vacation.
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