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Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by simion314 » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 5:42 PM UTC

jaabe wrote: post #226

simion314 wrote: post #206

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Could it be that no Russian citizen is leaking because reasons? If there are no leaks from Russia what can they do? I remember that the leaks about money hidden in the paradise countries contained a lot of russians too.

There are leaks from Russia though, like when their entire Olympic athlete program was outed in the doping scandal, or when they hacked the Ukrainian power grid, or the troll factories. The leaks just never make it to wiki leaks.

So was those leaked by local press or other institutions? Were those leaked documents also sent to Wikileaks and they refused to analyze or host them? If not I see no problem in the fact that you have many options on how/where to leak, especially if you are in Russia/China you will have a better reach tif you expose politicians and corruption if you use local (in your native language) press, the local journalists can also have the advantage they do not need translates,they are already in the country and can travel and verify things, they have contacts.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by black-tea » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 5:46 PM UTC

mejari wrote: post #136

black-tea wrote: post #52

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I'll give you one example. France has recently made it illegal to do paternity testing. Someone clearly understands that without all the lies their population of single mothers would skyrocket.

If by "recently" you mean 5 years ago. And by "illegal to do paternity testing" you mean "illegal to do secret paternity testing by private citizens without a court order". So your claim seems very false, and doesn't back up your idea that "their populations of single mothers would skyrocket".

The lengths people will go to to disagree with something that makes them uncomfortable... I guess it's also not illegal to break into somebody's house because, you know, you can do it with a court order. And your other point is about five years not being recent?

So, OK, given that five years is ages ago, and it's not technically illegal, why do you think France passed this law?

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by dstola » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 5:57 PM UTC

So much pro-western sentiment in the comments, a little shocked, but not surprised

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by bliblah » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 5:59 PM UTC

clintonb wrote: post #5

> WikiLeaks cited the unidentified person as saying the planned expulsion is a response to the organization’s recent tweet linking to a website that alleged money laundering and corruption during Ecuadorian President Lenin Moreno’s time as United Nations special envoy for the disabled in Geneva. Foreign Minister Jose Valencia said last month that the government was “very surprised” by that and other actions by Assang…

After accusations of being a Russian mouthpiece during the 2016 election it might help their public image by releasing information regardless of how it might affect a former member.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by johnwyles » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 6:10 PM UTC

whb07 wrote: post #198

mr_luc wrote: post #145

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I lived down there for 7 years that coincided with his presence in the country, and I've commented on the uniqueness of Correa as a politician before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5984041 I think it's still a good comparison: Correa was his country's Bismark. He was in the right place at the right time -- Bismark himself famously having said that the job of the politician is to listen for God's footsteps and…

I’d love to hear how long you’ve lived in Ecuador and how do you like it there?

I have little clout but as an American who visited for 2 weeks during the whole Snowden ordeal I felt it kinda "meh" looking at the place through expatriation goggles at the time. Quito is a very religious and conservative city, Baños is a cute mountain village with a quiet reserved culture, and Guayaquil was the more liberal but raw and somewhat... "boisterous" city. Not sure that word fits but outside of smoking pot and surfing all day in the costal town of Montanita all day I would say it's not a great ex-pat country. Overall the country felt very religiously devout and not starting to hockey-stick (at the time anyway) on tech-forward business and culture. It also is an OPEC country so it is bogged down with corruption and political issues though it does seem to strive to stamp them out. However, if your goal is South America and you would like to expatriate and remain in tech, Chile would be the place I would recommend most for all the programs the government is pushing for startups. Much more to say but I'll just wrap up with that...

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by torstenvl » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 6:16 PM UTC

saalweachter wrote: post #183

seba_dos1 wrote: post #164

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> as a guest You can hardly feel as a guest anymore if you live somewhere for 7 years.

I suspect tenant/squatter's rights do not apply in embassies, but I would love to hear a lawyer's opinion on that point.

At common law, you cannot gain title by adverse possession against the government.

However, for leaseholds, it's all going to be determined by the pertinent statutes. That's even more true for Ecuador, which - as far as I know - is not a common law country.

The real issue is that ejecting him from the embassy is, in effect, ejecting him from the sovereign territory of Ecuador. Depending on the exact basis they claimed when allowing him to stay, it could constitute refoulement of an asylee, which would violate international law.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by MaupitiBlue » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

GVIrish wrote: post #98

Tepix wrote: post #89

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Manning revealed war crimes, yet the only person who went to prison was Manning. That's all we need to know really. The system is broken und unable to fix itself. Edit: Free Reality Winner

The system is not perfect, but the reason Manning went to jail is because she made an indiscriminate leak of secrets of which she did not review before she released them. Had she only released material on stuff she had thought to be a crime, then there would have been a much stronger case to be made as a whistle blower. It would be like if someone working at a hospital exposed a medical fraud scheme but leaked all th…

Pretending to be a woman does not make you a woman.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by phasnox » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

clintonb wrote: post #5

> WikiLeaks cited the unidentified person as saying the planned expulsion is a response to the organization’s recent tweet linking to a website that alleged money laundering and corruption during Ecuadorian President Lenin Moreno’s time as United Nations special envoy for the disabled in Geneva. Foreign Minister Jose Valencia said last month that the government was “very surprised” by that and other actions by Assang…

Ecuadorian here.

Revealing the truth is not insulting us. Most of our people are(or at least should be) grateful that corruption activities are disclosed.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by phasnox » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 6:23 PM UTC

johnwyles wrote: post #235

whb07 wrote: post #198

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I’d love to hear how long you’ve lived in Ecuador and how do you like it there?

I have little clout but as an American who visited for 2 weeks during the whole Snowden ordeal I felt it kinda "meh" looking at the place through expatriation goggles at the time. Quito is a very religious and conservative city, Baños is a cute mountain village with a quiet reserved culture, and Guayaquil was the more liberal but raw and somewhat... "boisterous" city. Not sure that word fits but outside of smoking po…

You got it all wrong. Guayaquil is conservative and Quito more liberal.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by ReptileMan » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 6:30 PM UTC

phasnox wrote: post #238

clintonb wrote: post #5

> WikiLeaks cited the unidentified person as saying the planned expulsion is a response to the organization’s recent tweet linking to a website that alleged money laundering and corruption during Ecuadorian President Lenin Moreno’s time as United Nations special envoy for the disabled in Geneva. Foreign Minister Jose Valencia said last month that the government was “very surprised” by that and other actions by Assang…

Ecuadorian here. Revealing the truth is not insulting us. Most of our people are(or at least should be) grateful that corruption activities are disclosed.

But it is not your people that are hosting, but the government. The Equadorian government are literally the only people assange should be on the good side.