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San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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This is what so sad about tech, it gives those in power unprecedented abilities to control the population. Essentially heading back to slavery through technology with no way out for the slaves anymore.

It also gives tech workers unprecedented abilities to fight it. Software engineers need to take social responsibility for what they create.

problem is all kind of people (values types) can eng

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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I don't think new feats in society are accomplished by holding groups of individuals to task and making each one play by the rules. We need new ideas and new government structures to fight the tide or get ahead of it and inspire people with smart and informed leadership. Shaming ambiguous highly paid developers doesn't do anything, because you are criticizing a job role , a "slot" in society, when you think you are c…

The whole point of importing H1Bs from areas with questionable past ethical standards in economical distress (India, China, ex-Soviet union, EEU etc.) was for some managers to have a workforce that could do dirty jobs a regular US/WEU citizen would refuse to do (and do it cheaply ofc). You can still observe it even in FANG that is specifically poaching people from EEU for dirty work (e.g. building internal censorship…

"You can still observe it even in FANG that is specifically poaching people from EEU for dirty work (e.g. building internal censorship tools led by Ukrainian/Romanian/non-US devs)."

Romania is not and never was part of the EEU aka Eurasian Economic Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Economic_Union

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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It also gives tech workers unprecedented abilities to fight it. Software engineers need to take social responsibility for what they create.

I don't think new feats in society are accomplished by holding groups of individuals to task and making each one play by the rules. We need new ideas and new government structures to fight the tide or get ahead of it and inspire people with smart and informed leadership. Shaming ambiguous highly paid developers doesn't do anything, because you are criticizing a job role , a "slot" in society, when you think you are c…

I just don't see how government regulation will stop those same governments from doing the things we are talking about here. Its not companies like Google coming up with social credit programs.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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It's just a matter of time until we have country-wide full surveillance. It will be the perfect tool for anyone who wants to create a dictatorship. The thought police and the telescreens in 1984 will look primitive and weak in comparison. I think there is no way around it. Add to that drones to keep the population under control and there is huge danger we'll have a pretty bleak future.

This sort of defeatism isn't helpful. Surveillance technology doesn't sprout up from nothingness; it's built on a culture and a political/economic environment which can be changed.

There are already cameras at every intersection in California that feed into the Department of Homeland Security.

https://www.cu-citizenaccess.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/...

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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post #43

This is what so sad about tech, it gives those in power unprecedented abilities to control the population. Essentially heading back to slavery through technology with no way out for the slaves anymore.

It also gives tech workers unprecedented abilities to fight it. Software engineers need to take social responsibility for what they create.

> Software engineers need to take social responsibility for what they create.

They won't. 99% of people hate to take responsibilities and will never take any voluntarily without being well-paid for this or believing success is guaranteed. Expecting them to is ignoring a fact, may we like it or not. And they are not broken, it's not their job. Taking responsibilities is a job of politicians we elect yet they want power over everything.

In the EU, however, a reasonable part of politicians seems doing the job so we have GDPR and Google/Facebook/etc fined billions every now and then. But they could certainly do better so we wouldn't have the fascist copyright reform.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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The ‘builders’ are better described as ‘profiteers’. The panopticon is being requested and purchased by municipalities, which are predominantly governed by those from the baby boomer generation. Start-up 101. Build what the Users want.

Young blindly build Facebook like apps, old build a CCTV network. Everything feels scary, try walking around at 2 a.m. and not feeling it. People are tired of it. I don't think that all the surveillance will work. You always find the most amount of sketchy people around police stations. The cameras will make things worse. Good people will flee to other neighborhoods, were they are not being watched. Fundamentally, wh…

Because everyone might own a gun? I live in a fairly large German city and I am not aware of any no go areas there at night or day. Some areas of Berlin and Hamburg might have them but generally we are pretty safe here.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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Tell that to the Google. Their employees scoffed about working with the Pentagon and dropped the contract, but happily helped China build an authoritarian social-punishment system. Then denied it ... and then more details kept coming out showing Google continued working on it, just more quietly.

Many Googlers have already left Google on ethical grounds, and many more likely will in the near future. There are multiple organized groups of employees trying to enact change internally, but some who previously did that have already recognized that as futile and left, so presumably more will eventually. Google is already an extremely large company, and I think that many are only just now realizing the problems that…

> Many Googlers have already left Google on ethical grounds, and many more likely will in the near future.

Leaving Google is not enough already, it will manage on its own (because it already has the power and because because so many gifted people still just dream to work at Google). But creating and promoting numerous better alternatives to Google may help.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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5G and it’s need to remake all the light and utility poles in the city will bring the cameras and microphones. It’s a compelling use case to a government, regardless of privacy implications. Microphones are used in a lot of places to figure out and triangulate the location of a gunshot. Cameras can track cars and people automatically. Not sure what to do about it though. Maybe multisig with community leaders and poli…

> Not sure what to do about it though. If my city ever decided to implement surveillance on that scale, vandalism is clearly on the table. Just try to sabotage the network first. Would help you not get caught, at least for a while. In essence: Increase the rate of criminality. They were asking for it.

What do you have to hide? Okay, bad joke, April 1 is over.

In seriousness: please don't do that (yet). If you care deep enough to do all that, why don't you join the local government, the local media, start your own local media, become a counter-movement that doesn't go against the law?

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

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post #43

This is what so sad about tech, it gives those in power unprecedented abilities to control the population. Essentially heading back to slavery through technology with no way out for the slaves anymore.

Tech is also a way we can all protect ourselves. The DIY cybernetics movement will one day become as necessary as the makers movement. Cody Wilson spoke up, and the political establishment went after him.

His sacrifice was not in vain. Today, you can print an assault rifle receiver or 9mm receiver. Everyone should learn how to assemble a weapon. Everyone should also learn how to break into a server, using Kali Linux. Government and corporate IT types are stooges. It is a Constitutional duty that we all share in, as a check against government and corporate Tyranny.

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