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Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by gcbw2 »

kweks wrote: post #217
tombert wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the GPD Win that I bought a couple years ago, which is more or a less a Nintendo-DS-Sized computer running "real" Windows, and I love it. I can do programming on the train, even while standing up, as well as use all the tooling that I like, including Vim actually. The only limitation for me has honestly been Windows, since I'm more of a Unixey guy. Something that has always bothered me is that smartphones are…

https://planetcom.squarespace.com I have the Gemini. It works. Have saved servers while in the middle of Siberia.

How bad is it without a desk? can you type a SMS reply while walking?

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by gcbw2 »

Everyone in this thread complaining about phones without keyboard and Blackberry had a keyboard android phone flagship for a decade but nobody cared.

You all deserve crappy media-consumer-only phones. :(

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by EvangelicalPig »

tombert wrote: post #38
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #20

My primary concern with this is that different applications are inherently optimized for the platform on which they were originally designed. There are some applications that have a very dense UI because there's simply alot of functionality that the program handles (think of a video editor, an IDE, etc). Trying to slim down those applications to make them reactive so that they will scale onto a phone or tablet just s…

I have the GPD Win that I bought a couple years ago, which is more or a less a Nintendo-DS-Sized computer running "real" Windows, and I love it. I can do programming on the train, even while standing up, as well as use all the tooling that I like, including Vim actually. The only limitation for me has honestly been Windows, since I'm more of a Unixey guy. Something that has always bothered me is that smartphones are…

It's a nice idea in theory, but as a counterpoint, my vision has gotten worse due to reasons and the amount of useful things I can fit on my screen at a certain size and resolution has diminished.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by gcbw2 »

dharma1 wrote: post #104

I worked on this stuff for Ubuntu. I think this can work pretty well for some classes of apps - browsers, chat/messaging apps, voice/video calling, terminal, contacts, gallery, music player etc - relatively light weight (at least in terms of interactions) apps. Android/ChromeOS and iOS/MacOS are already moving to this direction for these classes of apps. It doesn't work so well (or is more difficult to execute well,…

> An aside - I'm not sure I'd use GTK+ for this. Why not Qt, or something like Flutter?

This is why ubuntu phone tanked. Trying to be too smart and centralizing. Librem5 phone will probably succeed on this but not for the reasons their marketing people think (convergent apps with magic! ha!). PureOS will be as irrelevant tomorrow as it is now. But their phone, being a proper linux phone like android never was, will have some small chance of success after the community buys into it and start porting a decent effort to the applications.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by gcbw2 »

Skunkleton wrote: post #176
sinuhe69 wrote: post #71

To be frank, I don’t see the benefit of convergence. Admittedly, one code base is cool and convenient, sure but if one considers the additional cost of design, maintenance and the loss of the optimal user experience, I think convergence is rather a minus. A small touch screen requires a totally different convention of user interactions as a big screen with only mouse and keyboard support. It’s simply the reality. Ins…

> I don’t see the benefit of convergence. To me the benefit is not to have a single application that works both with a touch screen and a mouse/keyboard. Rather, the benefit is to have a single filesystem that I can access with both touch screen apps and mouse/keyboard apps. This way I could for example create a grocery with a mouse/keyboard, then take my phone and check items off with a touchscreen. There are lots o…

Lol. And this pipe dream of magically converting apps to phone doesn't even address this use case of sharing the data. They assume the linux applications will be cloud locked-in like traditional ios/android apps.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by gcbw2 »

Animats wrote: post #188

This is just a Linux distro, right? Not a new operating system.

yes. But they are so insane about talking like it is a innovative OS that this is probably the biggest reason most people consider their laptops for linux and give up, afraid they won't work well with ubuntu or fedora.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by gcbw2 »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #174
cridenour wrote: post #118

I'm really excited about the software side of Purism but I can't justify buying a 2 year old processor on the laptop at a price still more expensive than alternatives, especially since that refresh happened in the last few months.

The CPU choice is restricted by their ability to disable Intel ME. If you don't care about that, you probably don't care about what Purism is trying to achieve, so it's not for you.

If that was true, they would be using AMD or ARM. Seems to be a matter or price/stock only.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by gcbw2 »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #147

Slightly off-topic, is anyone using Librem laptops? What has your experience been? They look nice. I've always wanted a nice secure Linux laptop to work on but I'm not eager to waste hours upon hours getting the drivers to behave (my experience with Linux on the desktop is a bit dated).

your experience is more than 20yrs out of date. And i am not even exaggerating.

Drivers in linux normally gives you less problems than OSX or Windows (latest graphic cards model excluded)

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by amiga-workbench »

gcbw2 wrote: post #232

Everyone in this thread complaining about phones without keyboard and Blackberry had a keyboard android phone flagship for a decade but nobody cared. You all deserve crappy media-consumer-only phones. :(

That thing had a locked bootloader, no matter how nice the hardware I am not buying a device with a 2-3 year lifespan.
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