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When a Bike Company Put a TV on Its Box, Shipping Damages Went Down (2017)

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Re: When a Bike Company Put a TV on Its Box, Shipping Damages Went Down (2017)

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Post by jimmaswell »

komali2 wrote: post #151
closeparen wrote: post #112

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In a crowded urban neighborhood, there is not going to be anywhere for a delivery vehicle to legally stop. Unless the delivery company refuses to service the area, it’s going to do some double parking. Downtowns address this problem with yellow commercial loading zones but those don’t really exist in residential neighborhoods.

Then, the delivery trucks shouldn't be parking there. Clear a spot and turn it into commercial parking only, i say. They're doing this right now on Polk street and it's so much safer for bicyclists on the portions that have this now.

A short detour on a sidewalk or grass/dirt shoulder doesn't seem that dangerous to me. Does it happen much that there's no room on the right and the cyclist has to go around the left of the truck?

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Post by jimmaswell »

pointytrees wrote: post #116
chrisseaton wrote: post #109

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> Even the most law-abiding delivery company is going to end up with some parking tickets Why? If you don’t park illegally you don’t get tickets. They aren’t random or accidental.

My brother-in-law lives in LA, and parks there every day. He honestly tries not to get parking tickets, but he's been towed once or twice because the street wasn't clear. I know he isn't intentionally trying to break the law. I also got a parking ticket when visiting once. I very carefully looked at the signs, there were 2 other cars on that side of the street. I parked there, and went into visit thinking I was fine.…

I get the impression LA and others do this on purpose as a revenue tactic.

Re: When a Bike Company Put a TV on Its Box, Shipping Damages Went Down (2017)

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Post by joejerryronnie »

fhe wrote: post #153
btrettel wrote: post #53

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This does not surprise me much. I think it comes down to incentives. The package handlers only have a certain amount of time per package. There are few if any consequences for being rough, and it saves time, so of course the package handlers end up being rough. This isn't the only time you see this sort of selfish behavior from delivery companies. As a cyclist I commonly encounter delivery trucks parked in the bike l…

can't wait for self-driving vehicles

Then we can complain about anti-cyclist algorithmic bias when autonomous delivery vehicles still park in bike lanes.

Re: When a Bike Company Put a TV on Its Box, Shipping Damages Went Down (2017)

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Post by dingaling »

xorgar831 wrote: post #25
coder543 wrote: post #20

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The commenter above could have been saying the seats cost the same as Lamborghini seats, which is plausible, or that it costs the same to print a picture of a Lamborghini onto the packaging as it does to print a picture of an airplane seat, which is true. There are many plausible ways to interpret their statement as being correct, but I don't think they're saying any airline seats cost $200k.

No, the first class airplane seats costs $250k each. https://gizmodo.com/heres-why-a-single-first-class-seat-can-... Also it looks like a row of non-first class seats can also cost about the same: https://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/travel/inside-the-dreamli...

Thompson Aerospace in NI make front-of-cabin seats and they charter freighter aircraft to deliver them rather than relying on shipping companies

Re: When a Bike Company Put a TV on Its Box, Shipping Damages Went Down (2017)

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Post by jandrese »

user5994461 wrote: post #213
hyperman1 wrote: post #202

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I remember how a few years ago a company paid a speeding ticket for one of the workers, and was promptly fined itself for contempt of court. Judge summoned the manager who approved the expense to court, gave him an earful, and told them in no uncertain terms that if they tried that again, contempt of court fines would go up until they stopped this. The ideas was the whole point of the ticket was to punish the driver,…

How the fuck can you expect people to drive 8 hours a day, 5 days a week and never get a fine?

It's not the driving, it's the parking. You're asking people to find a parking spot in the middle of the city hundreds of times a day, and no shit the spots just don't exist. Either they break the law or the packages don't get delivered.

Some cities have dedicated package delivery spots which help, but that's far from universal and sometimes regular drivers will abuse them. Also, they may not be located near the location the package needs to be delivered.

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Post by jandrese »

pofilat wrote: post #229
jdironman wrote: post #167

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The solution should be repeat offenses equals harsher consequences.

You are still blaming the laborer for management's policies re (not) allocating sufficient time for correct work.

Or the city's completely insufficient parking situation.

But yes, the company looks at this like so:

* Option 1. Park in front of the building (illegally) and deliver the package. 2% chance of getting a $200 parking ticket.

* Option 2. Driver finds a legal spot, average time: 15 minutes. Add 20 minutes of walking time to the delivery. Requirement: 8x more delivery vehicles required to service the city.

Option 1 is much cheaper.

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Post by gpm »

closeparen wrote: post #112
chrisseaton wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even the most law-abiding delivery company is going to end up with some parking tickets Why? If you don’t park illegally you don’t get tickets. They aren’t random or accidental.

In a crowded urban neighborhood, there is not going to be anywhere for a delivery vehicle to legally stop. Unless the delivery company refuses to service the area, it’s going to do some double parking. Downtowns address this problem with yellow commercial loading zones but those don’t really exist in residential neighborhoods.

If you can't operate legally, that doesn't mean you get to break the law, that means you stop operating.

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Post by rootusrootus »

ricardobeat wrote: post #204
icebraining wrote: post #117

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Shit happens; signs are confusing, drivers make mistakes, cops make mistakes. And that may be a once in a lifetime event for a regular driver, but when you have thousands of drivers parking dozens of times a day, "once in a lifetime" becomes "once a week".

Except very special and rare situations, the driver should be personally liable for a ticket even if on the job. Traffic laws apply to individual drivers and not vehicle owners or contractors.

Parking tickets are not moving violations, and are typically assigned to the car, not to the driver, for obvious reasons.

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Post by daveFNbuck »

user5994461 wrote: post #213
hyperman1 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember how a few years ago a company paid a speeding ticket for one of the workers, and was promptly fined itself for contempt of court. Judge summoned the manager who approved the expense to court, gave him an earful, and told them in no uncertain terms that if they tried that again, contempt of court fines would go up until they stopped this. The ideas was the whole point of the ticket was to punish the driver,…

How the fuck can you expect people to drive 8 hours a day, 5 days a week and never get a fine?

Suppose we don't expect that. Does it change who should pay the fine?
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