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Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by interesthrow2 »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #144
interesthrow2 wrote: post #89

It's a good text editor, first and foremost. Compared to netbeans, eclipse, visual studio, even intellj idea in my opinion. The same thing that made textmate, then sublime text successful made VSC successful. I takes a few seconds to launch, even on my celeron machine with 2Gigs of RAM, it's relatively minimal and unlike intellj it doesn't appear to be analyzing my whole hard drive for hours for no reason... the iron…

> It's a good text editor, first and foremost. Compared to netbeans, eclipse, visual studio, even intellj idea Have to disagree with VSC being better than Intellij. I find Intellij refactoring, debugging and autocomplete far ahead of VSC, especially when it comes to supporting leaser known features, or recently released language changes.

> Have to disagree with VSC being better than Intellij.

I didn't say it was a better than Intellij, I said it's a better text editor I'm not talking about integrated development, I'm talking about text editing.

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Post by closeparen »

Waterluvian wrote: post #178
mawburn wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like you should spend some time with Go. If I were building a startup, I would probably choose Go for core infra for being able to move quickly as a developer and write incredibly performant code with about as much mental overhead as most dynamically typed languages. Anecdotally, I've seen it replace Java in quite a few small and medium sized established companies.

I feel like Python is your pepperoni pizza can't go wrong option for almost anything. Go feels similar but younger. I love languages with big standard libraries. Just need their package management story to settle down for a while. There's something wonderful about a language being so popular and around for so long that there's plenty of resources and answers on just about anything. I think that's a core part of what…

Go targets a number of performance sensitive systems programming contexts where Python would be completely inappropriate.

Its beauty is that there is so little to it. You don’t need StackOverflow to discover/debug a clever way of expressing something because there is no clever way. It feels limiting until you learn the idioms.

Package management has indeed been extremely painful, particularly in the Glide era, but Dep and VGO are both solid.

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Post by danans »

SiVal wrote: post #204
johngalt wrote: post #130

> Engineers who use Go are also especially strong. If you know why, please let me know. Because there is almost no reason to learn Go. Most shops want JS/Java/Python/C# etc... The primary reason to learn a language like Go is because you want to for it's own sake. It's not that you must learn Go in order to be good, or that knowing Go makes you better. Rather it's difficult to be bad and still have the desire/interes…

"Because there is almost no reason to learn Go." No, that's not it. It's that if you can only learn one programming language, Go is not a very good choice, so those who learn Go are almost always multilingual ("lingual" as in programming languages, not natural languages). Python and JavaScript are Swiss Army knives with outstanding ecosystems that make them excellent choices if you can only afford one tool. There are…

> My anecdotal experience says that 1) most programmers are monolingual,

This surprises me as I've never worked on a nontrivial system that's also a monolingual system.

There's nearly always another language to use to get the job done, whether for configuration, scripting/automation, or because backends and UIs are written in different languages, especially for internet-based software.

Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by eksemplar »

dagaci wrote: post #72
eksemplar wrote: post #38

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We’ve been a C# house since .net 2.0 and having recently moved a lot of our things to first JS and then python I think it’s the tooling. Visual studio does a lot of things for you without a CLI. Want to deploy? Right click on your project and do the UI wizard for it. I mean, even nuget has a gui. On top of that C# comes with a ton of easy to use features from its library. Like AD integration is just a library that gi…

I think you are correct here, but also consider what a typical Java and C# programmer's are developing, they are writing line-of-business application's they are not data-mining, or doing a lot with algorithm's. As you implied they are also less typically less exposed to doing the low level thing, however no one will test you if you can use the EntityFramework in the IDE while everyone will test if you can use SqlConn…

I think that would explain why they aren’t performing on par with python developers. I also think a lot of python developers started with C, and that typically makes you a better programmer, because if you’ve suffered through memory allocation and finding the paths of least resistance, you’ll never forget.

I don’t see why JAVA or C# should perform worse than JavaScript developers in terms of data structures or algorithms though. Documentation, CLI and environment, sure, but building things?

You could say something similar about go, but I think people who are choosing go, are choosing go. And by that I mean they are thinking about their options, most C# developers that I have known, simply throw C# at everything, even when they shouldn’t.

Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by triodan »

d_burfoot wrote: post #163

It's interesting to me that Go does so well. I have a buddy who convinced his shop to switch over to Go for the following reason: he knew that they were not going to be able to consistently hire good programmers, and he thought Go was a way to mitigate the problems arising from this situation. In other words, Go is a language where newbie programmers can still do okay. He also claimed that Google developed Go for thi…

Go makes it really hard to do stupid things, and that makes it a really good language.

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Post by allannienhuis »

aaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #162
kbd wrote: post #37

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> This is a fantastic demonstration of why i exclusively use git from a command prompt... Thanks for this. I've always felt the same way but haven't been able to put my finger on why. As more things get integrated into my editor (I use VSCode) I feel like I should use the shiny features, but for source control I think I'm going to only use the commandline forever. (Edit: though plugins such as GitLens that give you s…

Hint: git add -i

I use

    git commit -a
a lot - it's most often the exact thing I want to do, with the exception of adding new files.

Re: The Rise of Microsoft Visual Studio Code

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Post by eterm »

These conclusions are frustrating to read because they haven't handled the numbers properly at all and have drawn poor conclusions.

Take a scenario where Java/C# are popular and have 20 people applying for each position but Go isn't and only has 5 people applying for each position.

You'd then have a far far better "pass rate" for Go developers. But it doesn't actually say anything about Java or Go in terms of developer proficiency.

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