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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

I don't test for browsers. I test for web standards.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

I prefer Edge to chrome actually, and especially professionally where chromes security settings won’t accept internal SSL certs as safe.

Bing is terrible, but I don’t think Edge is.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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The same way you test safari on a Win or Linux machine?

I don't think they were advocating for Safari either...

I took that as a subtle rib against Safari

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

WTF do you mean "lead to sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox"?? If Firefox follows the published HTML standards then there wouldn't need to be any special compatibility effort made by us web devs! That is exactly what made I.E. (and Edge) so cr@ppy in the first place!! /facepalm

Oh the irony. I bet you can find more non-standard behaviour and features and APIs in Chrome than in Firefox.

There is a reason why people regard the MDN docs to be the best documentation for web technologies.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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post #196

As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

It's interesting, I don't see this argument made against other open source projects that are dominant, such as the Linux kernel. I rarely see people saying that there need to be competing kernel projects with completely separate code bases but all trying to conform to the same ABI, etc. (Yes, I know there are other kernels out there, but my point is that people don't complain that Linux is so dominant like they do ab…

Linux is not dominated by a single company. Developers working for many companies contribute heavily to it, but as long as Linus Torvalds is at the helm, it is unlikely to be dominated by any one of them. So you don’t have to worry about the Linux Kernel tracking every keystroke to harvest data for adverts.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Safari is broken on purpose in a lot of ways when it comes to security, for better or for worse. I've had to do a lot of workarounds for Safari to compensate for the restrictions on cross-origin frames even though the host allows for the origin in its CSP, just as an example. Then of course there's the lack of support for WebRTC and virtually no support for PWAs. As Apple doesn't really view itself as a software comp…

Safari is broken in ways that don't make sense if you don't live in apple land, so I can't bother with their mess for 5 or 6% of the total browser market Moreover, it's irrelevant to non apple people

Can’t believe web developers are willing to write-off over 2 billion Safari/WebKit users: https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/09/12/apple-achieves-mi...

This ain’t your father’s Safari web browser: https://webkit.org/status/#?status=under%20consideration,in%...

There’s a lot of stuff that’s already supported in the released Safari and lots more stuff in development and being considered.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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My understanding is that they'll be using the Chromium engine underneath, but still their own Edge "browser" and UI on top. IMHO, I personally think it's a good thing to consolidate on one engine to render HTML cross-platform for these two reasons: 1. Web developers no longer need to worry about supporting CSS and other edge-cases across various browser engines. 2. The Chromium engine itself is open source. There are…

Your argument is similar to saying that one party rule in politics is good for the country (because the party is nice, has competent people at the top, and helps people a lot).

Well, it's better than two parties that are putting all their energy into fighting each other, instead of governing a country in hot best way possible for its citizens...

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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"drop-in feature-parity with Chromium" == They want to be able to replace Chromium with their own engine, but it must be very compatible. "duplication is becoming a significant performance drain" == Every electorn app bundles its own browser engine (as opposed to a single browser engine for the whole OS, like a shared library), which increases system RAM usage and hinders performance. "They want to single-instance El…

> which increases system RAM usage and hinders performance. I can see that it increases disk space , but everything on top of that is questionable. I believe DLLs will share/reuse memory pages even if they were downloaded in separate bundles.

The trouble comes if they're not the same DLLs. Chromium updates often enough that there's lots of different versions you can bundle.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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The writing was on the wall when Microsoft release Windows Server 2019 - and announced it won't support Edge. Thinking of every corporate that's going to be using this new OS for RDS and Citrix farms, not shipping with Edge said they weren't going for the corporate market. Which happens to have been their biggest market.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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How can I test Edge when Microsoft don't release it for Mac and Linux? A browser for a single OS? Talk about monoculture.

The same way you test safari on a Win or Linux machine?

Safari runs on iOS (iPhones, iPads) too. Huge installed base.

The same can't be said about Windows Phones

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