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Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by chrisbroadfoot »

skj wrote: post #49
arctux wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be correct. > Google Maps Platform is a part of Google Cloud, but not a part of Google Cloud Platform I have never felt that I have been confused by something so justifiably.

(googler working in gcp here) The basic way to tell if something is part of GCP or another Google product that some marketing whiz managed to have "cloud" tacked onto the name is whether or not you need a GCP project to work with it.

(GCP employee)

Not true, as far as I know. Many (if not all) Google APIs require a GCP project for access via API key, service account credential, or mobile application.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by plantain »

gibba999 wrote: post #229
tzury wrote: post #218

From product perspective, Google cloud is far ahead from AWS and Azure. As one who runs a company that operates on all 3, serving over 3b+ HTTPS requests daily, across 250K of web apps, in all continents, I can say clear and simple: GCP Compute, Networking stack and storage are a superior product when compared to AWS and Azure. For every dollar you pay: - You get more compute power per core, while paying less. - You…

... and you get what you pay for. Whenever I've had a problem on AWS, I've spoken to a human being, and had a detailed information on what was happening and how they were fixing it. I don't have a support plan through Amazon, but I do a bit of business there (now). When I had a problem with Google, the response was a stone wall. Online FAQs and no one to talk to. Even security issues, they blow people off on. I would…

I have no idea how you are getting someone to talk to from AWS without paying. I have had 10k/mo spend with both and without a support plan you get absolutely nothing, and with they fall over themselves to help, calling you immediately after filing tickets.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by PeterHK »

for sure all of them have pros/cons.

i have been using AWS for many years across multiple companies now. Over the years i got the feeling that the quality has degraded. New services are half-baked (ES, EKS), some newer API's are overly complicated (VPC peering is overloaded for cross-account AND internal instead of 2 abstractions on top of it - why do i need to get confused about all these extra API args which are not needed for internal VPC peering and have to spend hours to finally understand it). Overall AWS feels that they got more sales focused.

i just started to get nightmares with Azure recently, luckily i was able to get rid of almost everything of it (only keyvault remains, since azure does for now have the best offering for HSM). The UI is absolute terrible from front-end caching bugs to strange permissions. MS seems to have to invent their own vocabulary for everything instead of using terminology that most of the rest of the internet uses (which makes finding things very hard), same goes for their API's, its almost impossible to use their API's without these super huge and often buggy libs (try to use REST API auth without a lib...). I am personally also having a hard time to read their documentation.

I did not had the chance to try GC yet but i want to. I know that google services sometimes can be a bit complex to start with, but there is good documentation and reference docs - its usually very easy to just use REST api if you dont wanna use some heavy libs. We recently moved to k8s (i am loving it - continues deploying apps with autoscaling and 0 downtime was never that easy), so as we move more into k8s i hopefully get the chance to try out GC

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Post by TomMarius »

thrower123 wrote: post #124
TomMarius wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows Forms were also the only sensible option until at least 2014. Only after 2014 Microsoft has fully commited to one solution, before that it was very wild.

What is that solution? You're not talking about UWP, in it's myriad and shifting incarnations, are you?

To be honest I don't have much insight anymore, I left the .NET space around 2015 for these exact reasons.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by callesgg »

gibba999 wrote: post #229
tzury wrote: post #218

From product perspective, Google cloud is far ahead from AWS and Azure. As one who runs a company that operates on all 3, serving over 3b+ HTTPS requests daily, across 250K of web apps, in all continents, I can say clear and simple: GCP Compute, Networking stack and storage are a superior product when compared to AWS and Azure. For every dollar you pay: - You get more compute power per core, while paying less. - You…

... and you get what you pay for. Whenever I've had a problem on AWS, I've spoken to a human being, and had a detailed information on what was happening and how they were fixing it. I don't have a support plan through Amazon, but I do a bit of business there (now). When I had a problem with Google, the response was a stone wall. Online FAQs and no one to talk to. Even security issues, they blow people off on. I would…

Well you have just not got to googles business team. I have multiple times gotten what google calls sales engineers to my office discussing solutions.

Like they literally came to the office sat at the table and talked to us.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by mrweasel »

There's a large number of companies that have a "Microsoft Strategy", meaning that if Microsoft have a solution that sort of fits the problem, that's what they pick.

Google simply can't sell to these customers, because... They aren't Microsoft.

The weird part is that a large number of these companies will outsource their operations, their own staff will never use Azure services directly. It would make zero difference if their applications run on Amazons, Googles or Microsofts cloud offering, but they have a "Microsoft Strategy", so it has to run on Azure.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by wikibob »

romed wrote: post #149
awad wrote: post #72

Snap and Spotify account for 13.7% of Google Cloud: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/spotify-will-spend-nearly-45...

Snap doesn't spend it all on what you are all discussing here, though. Even though it's wrapped up in Google Cloud marketing, Snap's main use seems to be of App Engine, a product that is clearly in the lead among comparable products, as opposed to things like GCS and GCE which are clearly behind S3 and AWS, respectively. Snap also has a huge contract with AWS, for what it's worth. Other large customers like Apple als…

In what specific way is GCE behind EC2?

I would argue on many points GCE is clearly significantly superior to EC2.

The Google billing model is far better, they bill on straight CPU and Memory, which you can combine in any desired ratio. Amazon has well over 100 different instance types.

Google gives you an automatic sustained usage discount. Amazon requires you to commit to reserved instances up front for 1 year minimum, and those have to be specific instance types, so as your workloads change you can't reallocate capacity.

GCE has workload live-migration. If the underlying hardware that your VM is hosted on begins to fail, they will migrate you to new hardware in REAL TIME without any downtime other than a sub-second pause in processing.

Amazon will notify you that your hardware is failing and give you a deadline usually a week or so out to reboot your VM, if you don't they just terminate it.

I could continue for several more points if interested.

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Post by ekianjo »

bduerst wrote: post #205
ekianjo wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember seeing Google folks in Japan coming to sell their products in T shirts and jeans in a business world where everyone wears suits and knows it. I have nothing against the casual style, but knowing the etiquette is primordial in business.

When was this? Was it an event or an onsite client visit? Was it for cloud or a different product?

That was about 3 years ago or maybe 2. They came to showcase their solutions to the Marketing department. I dont think it was Cloud, they were focusing if I remember correctly on the Google Analytics Entreprise plan and its benefits. I cant remember the details of the presentation but I remember vividly the holes in their jeans in front of a well dressed audience.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by Artemis2 »

a_imho wrote: post #221
tzury wrote: post #218

From product perspective, Google cloud is far ahead from AWS and Azure. As one who runs a company that operates on all 3, serving over 3b+ HTTPS requests daily, across 250K of web apps, in all continents, I can say clear and simple: GCP Compute, Networking stack and storage are a superior product when compared to AWS and Azure. For every dollar you pay: - You get more compute power per core, while paying less. - You…

Didn't they suffer a global outage just the other day?

Caused by a bad BGP route announcement [1]; this is outside of the control of Google. However, they do seem to have global incidents more often than the competition (for example [2] last July)

1: https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/cloud-networking/18...

2: https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/cloud-networking/18...

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