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My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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No country is worse than Germany for software developers. Even the guy from India in this thread earns 2-3x more than usual senior salary in Germany, but expenses are 10x higher here. I really hate this country.

> Even the guy from India in this thread earns 2-3x more than usual senior salary

To be fair that guy is like the 1% of IT in India, majority of Indians working in IT (most of them in IT outsourcing companies) dont make high salaries.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Very interesting thread this link has spawned. Not telling each other how much we make is only good for our employers, not us. So here we go: The Netherlands, 26yo male: 45k ($50k) as a technical trainee. It's €3200 ($3600) pre-tax a month and €2350 ($2670) after tax with %12,5 end of year bonus. First job here, and this is already above modal for my country. I'm very happy with it, especially seeing I don't have a f…

It boggles my mind that salaries can be so much lower in parts of Europe, while expenses are about the same as the US. Of course if you are living in New York City or San Francisco area expenses are higher, but most places they are not.

As always: it's not that Black and White.

Many people in my country, and NW Europe in general, opt for pay in another currency: time.

Dutch people work _on average_ 350 hours less per year than their US counterparts; or about 7 weeks worth when working 40 hours a week.

It's not unheard of in my company to have between 30 and 50 paid days off per year on top of the national holidays. These days are negotiated during salary discussions and a trade off between pay and time.

https://data.oecd.org/emp/hours-worked.htm

Germany, Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Sweden etc... We all basically opt for more time off than more pay.

And this is possible in part due to the high taxes; we have no medical bills, no education bills, pension is taken care of, etc..

I for one, would gladly opt for a 4 day work week with 60k pay a year in stead of a 5 day workweek with 90k pay.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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No country is worse than Germany for software developers. Even the guy from India in this thread earns 2-3x more than usual senior salary in Germany, but expenses are 10x higher here. I really hate this country.

From one of the other comments it sounds like the UK is much worse.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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I am a brown male working in India. The salaries are rounded to the nearest 100000 INR. USD values are rounded to the nearest 1000 USD. These are salaries per year . Need to emphasize this because when you see numbers like 3000 USD you may think this is per month. No it is indeed 3000 USD per year. When there are stocks involved, only the stocks that vest per year is included as part of the yearly salary. 2003 - 0 YO…

Please use commas or even quote numbers in thousands. Otherwise it is unreadable. Edit: Here's an edited version for easy readability: 2003 - 0 YOE - 200,000( 3,000 USD) - Software Engineer - One of the very popular Indian IT firms 2005 - 2 YOE - 300,000 ( 4,000 USD) - Senior Engineer - Same as above 2007 - 4 YOE - 1,000,000 INR ( 14,000 USD) - Software Engineer - A small American company with their office in India 2…

What do you mean? I find the numbers readable, what format would you prefer?

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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I always wonder when I read about salaries in other countries - what do the numbers usually mean? Not sure if this is how it works everywhere, but where I live, we have 3 different ways of talking about salary: 1) What you actually get 2) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes 3) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes + what your employer pays in taxes Usually we talk about #2 when discussing salaries.…

Seems like it's more important to change titles than company according to your history. To be honest I'm a bit offended you consider yourself senior with 2 years of experience.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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I always wonder when I read about salaries in other countries - what do the numbers usually mean? Not sure if this is how it works everywhere, but where I live, we have 3 different ways of talking about salary: 1) What you actually get 2) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes 3) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes + what your employer pays in taxes Usually we talk about #2 when discussing salaries.…

Seems like it's more important to change titles than company according to your history. To be honest I'm a bit offended you consider yourself senior with 2 years of experience.

Why are you offended? The market considers them senior...

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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post #103

I am a brown male working in India. The salaries are rounded to the nearest 100000 INR. USD values are rounded to the nearest 1000 USD. These are salaries per year . Need to emphasize this because when you see numbers like 3000 USD you may think this is per month. No it is indeed 3000 USD per year. When there are stocks involved, only the stocks that vest per year is included as part of the yearly salary. 2003 - 0 YO…

So you make 40 times more now than at the start of your career? Thats insane! I make a very good salary in Sweden and I've only doubled my salary in my 10 year long career.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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post #103

I am a brown male working in India. The salaries are rounded to the nearest 100000 INR. USD values are rounded to the nearest 1000 USD. These are salaries per year . Need to emphasize this because when you see numbers like 3000 USD you may think this is per month. No it is indeed 3000 USD per year. When there are stocks involved, only the stocks that vest per year is included as part of the yearly salary. 2003 - 0 YO…

So you make 40 times more now than at the start of your career? Thats insane! I make a very good salary in Sweden and I've only doubled my salary in my 10 year long career.

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Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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This is certainly an intresting post and i likethe OP attitude. We should be totally transparent about our compensation as he did. Salary is just the result of a negotiation, nothing else, in the majority of cases it does not reflect anything more than your "perceived" value. White male born in the '88 in Italy. I have a bachelor degree and working since 2008. Here in Italy is quite uncommon to have big jumps in sala…

Get on Upwork, you will make more after ~2 years of developing your reputation.

Is that your personal experience? I read almost only negative opinions about Upwork, and it's seems another broken solution looking for a problem to solve.
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