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Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by pavanred »

nitinreddy88 wrote: post #94
justboxing wrote: post #80

Just saw the pics of the damage on the twitter thread linked-to in the article. See below. https://twitter.com/shukla_tarun/status/1050595274869993474 Looks quite severe. I'm impressed the plane flew for 3 hours without getting destablized and crashing.... Air India has the worst safety reputation in India, and several accidents / incidents. I flew Spice Jet a few times over the last few weeks when I was there visiti…

The most surprising part is, trichy to mumbai takes hardly 1hr flight time. What caused them to take 4hrs? In 4hrs, they could have landed in Dubai itself easily Being Indian, I agree with statement about AirIndia. I would never fly in AirIndia even if the ticket price is too low, laughably they usually cost way above than any other competitors.

Fun fact: Air India is a state owned airline that has been bailed out with tax payer money multiple times. Attempts to sell/privatize the airline has failed too so far.

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

distant_hat wrote: post #149
jayalpha wrote: post #142

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"Being Indian, I agree with statement about AirIndia. I would never fly in AirIndia even if the ticket price is too low, laughably they usually cost way above than any other competitors." Since I have flown with Air India, would you mind being more specific? Are the statistics? My flights were okay. Okay, zero status miles credited at Star Alliance and a bit stingy with alcohol on board. But food and service was good…

I used to be a government employee and was required to fly Air India so I flew it a fair bit. Personally, the flying bit was not that different from others. Their website was a nightmare to book on, usually I found them generous with alcohol on international flights, but sample size is small here. Their miles were hard to use, too many conditions. Staff was a bit low on professionalism. Saw a couple of fights between…

> Saw a couple of fights between flight attendants.

In flight entertainment.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by radicalbyte »

kozak wrote: post #196
radicalbyte wrote: post #117

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My wife knows of two fatal car accidents caused by this. Don't adjust your seat whilst driving peeps, and make sure it clicked into position before you drive if you adjust it.

Inability to apply enough force to the brake pedal at the right moment.

One of them was adjusting the seat whilst driving, it flew back and she swerved. The other one I understand was a seat which wasn't clicked in.

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Post by mcguire »

crwalker wrote: post #110
userbinator wrote: post #77

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In contrast, I can't say I've ever heard of seats in cars having this problem. Is it because plane seats are highly optimised for weight?

Pulling back on a car’s steering wheel doesn’t do anything. Also, cars have a very low stall speed.

A car's stall speed depends heavily on the car's altitude.

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Post by einrealist »

FabHK wrote: post #177
einrealist wrote: post #151

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There is nothing about the ‚why’. Maybe they had an engine problem past V1 and decided to go. The long go around can be explained with them having to focus on stabilizing the situation, maybe involving problems with the landing gear. Even with the severe damage, the inner cabin and pressurization must have been intact. Assuming human failure should come last, when we have no details about the cause.

> The long go around can be explained ... by their desire to overwrite the CVR??

Well, I hope the pilots were not so dumb. I mean, there is still the FDR and recorded radio comms. If they took that time to overwrite the CVR, then they will probably lose their job anyway due to the suspicion of hiding, even when they would be acquitted of wrongdoing in a legal proceeding.

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Post by FabHK »

FabHK wrote: post #174
ksec wrote: post #107

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--I can say that extreme incompetence exists in the airline world, especially in Africa, India, SE Asia including Hong Kong?

Cathay has a pretty good reputation, I believe. The HK civil aviation authorities, so-so, but all right. Struggling to get the expensive new ATC center to work. (Note that HK is considered part of East Asia.)

Self-reply to add:

See here for some news articles on the ATC centre:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=HK+atc+site%3Ascmp.com

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Post by cjbprime »

manigandham wrote: post #222
oe wrote: post #130

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Is it possible that Dubai refused to let them land with a flyable but potentially pretty broken plane?

It would be the opposite, every major airport will be open for a plane in trouble.

And even non-major ones! I hear you can even land at an air force base in the US as a civilian private pilot without any negative consequences, providing you have declared emergency.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by manigandham »

cjbprime wrote: post #237
manigandham wrote: post #222

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It would be the opposite, every major airport will be open for a plane in trouble.

And even non-major ones! I hear you can even land at an air force base in the US as a civilian private pilot without any negative consequences, providing you have declared emergency.

Yes, if you have nowhere else to go, but it's a last resort and there's definitely a high chance of fines or more serious consequences, especially if it's an active base with sensitive material or operations.

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Post by Scoundreller »

agurk wrote: post #145
Scoundreller wrote: post #106

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Your blood oxygenation will stay at 95-99% even while in a cabin. Metabolism in aircraft is pretty low: you’re generally sitting idle, but I think the alcohol metabolism is still constant except the terminal metabolism. Fever is partly metabolism, but largely reduced cooling.

I've taken an oximeter with me on flights before, and can give a data point of n=1 to say this isn't the case. My oxygen % decreased initially with altitude until it stabilised around 90-92% (at ~10k feet, IIRC). It sat at this point for the whole flight (8 hours), with a low of 87%. Through forced rapid deep breaths I could get it back up into the mid-high 90s, but also got light headed and funny looks. Moving aroun…

Interesting, the studies i’ve Read pegged the average reduction at 4%.

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Post by cjbprime »

manigandham wrote: post #238
cjbprime wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And even non-major ones! I hear you can even land at an air force base in the US as a civilian private pilot without any negative consequences, providing you have declared emergency.

Yes, if you have nowhere else to go, but it's a last resort and there's definitely a high chance of fines or more serious consequences, especially if it's an active base with sensitive material or operations.

I'm not aware of any more serious consequence having ever happened for a legit emergency, and I am aware of fatal accidents where private pilots were e.g. out of fuel and didn't realize the AFB was an option even though they could've made it.
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