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Presuming the previous lives in Allentown PA (ABE2 fulfillment center?), and presuming 2000 hours of work per year at $16/hour ($32,000/year), the tax calculator I found online says that taxes and social security add up to around $5222. $500 less under the tax changes Trump passed for next year. So after taxes around $13.40 to $13.70 per hour.
I am indeed at ABE 2. Just FYI.
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The relationship between labor and management/capital has historically been adversarial in all countries, in many cases much more so than US. I mean, US didn't have an attempted socialist revolution, for one - several European countries did. And yet they developed a working system involving unions out of it all. There's no reason why we can't, too.
America didn't get their socialist revolution because the companies and government brutally suppressed every rebellion and even basic strikes. America as a government and capitalist society has been actively against unions since forever, and in the past few decades they've convinced workers to be against unionizing as well - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Corn_Rebellion This one on Blair mountain was big - htt…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1917%E2%80%9319...
Any government is going to violently suppress a revolution (or cease to exist immediately). The difference is that there wasn't even an attempt at a socialist revolution in US. The labor movement here was mostly focused on labor rights, not on the broader politics of class struggle. Radical socialists and communists within the movement were never numerous enough to organize a revolution.
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> But it also means the company becomes very adversarial with their work-force This is due to a combination of lack of social safety net and lack of worker representation. In the places where unions are noted for being "good", the government covers the social safety net and workers unions are given board seats as well as stock. This keeps everybody's goals aligned.
Public sector unions are notoriously bad.
You might want to do a bit more research into actual unions around the world rather than simply regurgitating propaganda.
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America didn't get their socialist revolution because the companies and government brutally suppressed every rebellion and even basic strikes. America as a government and capitalist society has been actively against unions since forever, and in the past few decades they've convinced workers to be against unionizing as well - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Corn_Rebellion This one on Blair mountain was big - htt…
My point is precisely that there were numerous violently suppressed socialist revolutions in Europe, on a scale far greater than anything that had ever happened in the USA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1917%E2%80%9319... Any government is going to violently suppress a revolution (or cease to exist immediately). The difference is that there wasn't even an attempt at a socialist revolution in US. The la…
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So who's running the union? Some measure of nonsensicality exists here in the idea of a union composed entirely of warehouse workers that is somehow magically acting against the best interests of those warehouse workers.
>> Some measure of nonsensicality exists here in the idea of a union composed entirely of warehouse workers that is somehow magically acting against the best interests of those warehouse workers. ...is this hard to believe? This happens all the time with unions. Professional sports unions fall for this all the time, most notably Major League Baseball and the National Football League. The former butchered their negoti…
Hi, I work at an Amazon warehouse in Pennsylvania. I agree with one of Amazon's sentiments regarding these changes - that it's better to get more direct pay than to "hope" for a bonus" However, the nature of our VCP (variable compensation pay) bonus is such that half of it is actually completely and fully within an individual's control. Half of the VCP bonus is given based on our own personal attendance. If we use pe…
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Perhaps it would be helpful to share said graph?
It’ll show up if you do an image search for OSHA historical workplace deaths. Also in the below document http://freedomandprosperity.org/2012/blog/big-government/ass... If you look at this economic history link you’ll see a reasonably consistent trend, not universal, of decreasing workplace deaths. http://eh.net/encyclopedia/history-of-workplace-safety-in-th...
Much more detail, with figures, although for UK Amazon workers here: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/03/amazon-of... The TL;DR for the UK is they lose over half the pay rise from losing the bonuses. They got one share, worth £1,500 or $1,960 after every year, and an additional share once every five years. That can be tax-free if held for 2 years. They also lose the possibility of cash bonuses for meet…
You mean you can pay only cap gains if you hold it versus income tax?
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I appreciate that you believe that, but that's simply not based in any historical fact. The height of the AFL, IWW, etc. in terms of power was when their power to strike, especially wildcat strike, was the highest. At that time unions had more twice the membership amongst working people than they do now. Hardly a sign of unions winning because they keep workers out (racism aside).
You’re confusing a nebulous idea of political influence with real outcomes. Strikes have been used to resolve labor disputes, but if your goal is long term and meanful improvement to working conditions and remuneration, then the only times unions have ever achieved that is by restricting access to the profession. Salaries are determined by market forces, political influence will never be able to exert much pressure o…
> Strikes have been used to resolve labor disputes, but if your goal is long term and meanful improvement to working conditions and remuneration, then the only times unions have ever achieved that is by restricting access to the profession.
Collective bargaining is how unions achieve long term and meaningful improvement to working conditions and renumeration.
> Salaries are determined by market forces, political influence will never be able to exert much pressure on the equilibrium.
This is just demonstrably untrue -- we've been in a bull market for almost a decade. Worker pay -- in contrast to company profits -- hasn't even kept up with inflation. Something is missing.
> The only time unions have truly succeeded in this is by limiting labor supply over the long term.
Do you have any citations for this? Any data?
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This. It's only "adversarial" because now the workers are capable of being a meaningful adversary.
There is no need to be adversarial as long as workers have the right to leave. These are not slaves. They only stay until they can get a better deal (pay, respect, safety...) elsewhere.
Unions level the playing field. Now, both sides have to negotiate from an even position - neither can do without the other.