Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by pathseeker » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:32 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #221

dylan604 wrote: post #148

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As a DJ constantly looking for tracks to add to the collection. I listen to streaming music pretty constantly. For individual tracks with all of the metadata, the artist/track name info is provided. For listening to other DJ mixes, you just get the DJ name and mix name. Shazam tells me the specific track. I also use My Shazams as a potential mix list. If I have an item in My Shazams, it caught my attention for some r…

> As a DJ constantly looking for tracks to add to the collection. I listen to streaming music pretty constantly. For individual tracks with all of the metadata, the artist/track name info is provided. For listening to other DJ mixes, you just get the DJ name and mix name. Shazam tells me the specific track. So a pretty narrow demographic for the feature though...

Diabetes apps have a narrow demographic too. What's your point?

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by drb91 » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:33 PM UTC

mrleiter wrote: post #103

I once read in an article (that I unfortunately can't find right now) that the the worth of Shazam lies in the fact that it can recognise, which songs are trending. The value chain is approximately like this: 1)New song is released 2)It starts being "shazamed" by various people - it's becoming trendy 3)Large stores that differntiate themselves by being trendy want to play trendy songs first 4)They pay Shazam to tell…

I’m not sure what the middleman is, or which way the money flows, but there are also services that provide new music to retailers. The retailers get access to the current trendy ambiance, and the artists get exposure in an environment where people are consciously accessorizing. Half the time I use shazam it’s in a store (the other half being lyfts).

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by someguy101010 » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:35 PM UTC

meowface wrote: post #228

kidsnow wrote: post #157

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THAT is the kind of startup I wish I could work for.

Me too. Are there any similar startup with functional prototypes or products? Something like Shazam, or Theranos if it were actually legitimate and had a working product.

ipfs?

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by capkutay » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:35 PM UTC

bluetidepro wrote: post #8

Shazam is the one app that has been around since about the birth of the iPhone that honestly still blows my mind in it's capabilities. The fact it can so quickly figure out any song in so many environments is incredible. Call me simple, but I use it almost daily, and it is accurate close to 98% of the time. I absolutely love Shazam's iOS app, and they have done a great job keeping up with UI/UX treads for it over the…

> With all that said, PLEASEEEEEE don't ruin it, Apple

I don't think the overall UX, song recognition, tag tracking will be ruined

> Specifically meaning I love it's integration with Spotify. I will be bummed if that goes away for an exclusive Apple Music integration.

Well that was pretty much what Apple paid for. I can already see that all my shazam tags automatically show up in Apple Music for me. Clearly this is just becoming another growth channel for Apple music which means their Spotify integration will likely be diminished or end.

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by pathseeker » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:35 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #223

theDoug wrote: post #93

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This "feature not a product" belief only makes sense if you pretend that the product doesn't provide the answer sought by its primary user and as byproduct produces a truly real-time stream/map of what music-enjoying people are interested in finding out more about. This data would be incredibly valuable to companies trying to market and sell music. Like labels, and now, Apple. Not to mention keeping that data now out…

> This "feature not a product" belief only makes sense if you pretend that the product doesn't provide the answer sought by its primary user It also makes sense if the scope of the product is not enough for it to make anyone pay for it (except as part of a larger product).

People don't pay for social networks either.

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by snappieT » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:35 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #148

endorphone wrote: post #72

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I agree with the lauding of Shazam, but I am interested in your statement "I use it almost daily" -- what for? I've always viewed Shazam as a novelty and have installed and uninstalled it a few random times, but as Jobs would say it seems like a feature not a product.

As a DJ constantly looking for tracks to add to the collection. I listen to streaming music pretty constantly. For individual tracks with all of the metadata, the artist/track name info is provided. For listening to other DJ mixes, you just get the DJ name and mix name. Shazam tells me the specific track. I also use My Shazams as a potential mix list. If I have an item in My Shazams, it caught my attention for some r…

+1 on that usage.

If only Soundcloud/Mixcloud integrated it so you saw the current track while the mix played - likely avoided for copyright deniability?

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by on_and_off » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:37 PM UTC

stanmancan wrote: post #230

screye wrote: post #84

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Google Now natively supports song detection in surroundings. It is also pretty good at it, and Google will do it passively without ever needing to open it as an app. I used Shazam a long time ago, so dunno how it had changed, but it certainly isn't a novel idea.

and Google will do it passively without ever needing to open it as an app. Listening 24/7 isn't a privacy invasion at all.

It uses an offline database of songs to make this feature work, without uploading your surrounding sounds.

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by notatcomputer68 » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:37 PM UTC

matthewmacleod wrote: post #207

gregknicholson wrote: post #82

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> Pixel phones have Shazam-like ability built in which uses minimal battery and without internet... and it's constantly running any time music plays. Is it on by default? Cos that sounds really creepy.

To stress the point, this feature uses a local database, doesn't send any data off of the device, and is turned off by default.

Imo the creepy thing is that phones are now powerful enough to run always on analysis, not that they are currently doing anything malicious with it.

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by spanishgum » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:37 PM UTC

fnord123 wrote: post #90

bluetidepro wrote: post #8

Shazam is the one app that has been around since about the birth of the iPhone that honestly still blows my mind in it's capabilities. The fact it can so quickly figure out any song in so many environments is incredible. Call me simple, but I use it almost daily, and it is accurate close to 98% of the time. I absolutely love Shazam's iOS app, and they have done a great job keeping up with UI/UX treads for it over the…

>With all that said, PLEASEEEEEE don't ruin it, Apple. This looks to me like an acquihire for the ML/AI/DL talent. So basically, yes they will be diverted to other projects.

Is Shazam really ML/AI/DL? I thought it was more of a signal processing and search engine system. You transform snippets of audio signals into text, pump it into a distributed database, and then perform a search against that. Maybe there is some AI involved in noise reduction, but that seems like a rather small component.

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by on_and_off » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 7:37 PM UTC

zimmund wrote: post #229

screye wrote: post #84

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Google Now natively supports song detection in surroundings. It is also pretty good at it, and Google will do it passively without ever needing to open it as an app. I used Shazam a long time ago, so dunno how it had changed, but it certainly isn't a novel idea.

Google Now won't detect music for you outside the US (Shazam does)

soundhound will though :) I have not used it in a while, but I used to have both apps on my phone