Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere • Hacker News Board

Re: Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere

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Post by rrcaptain » Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 7:16 AM UTC

rhacker wrote: post #132

mehrdadn wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Taxes don't work to work to change behavior, or people would have stopped speeding a long time ago, sugary drinks wouldn't sell in Seattle, and people would stop buying coffee in California. You do realize "work" isn't a binary thing?

Cigarettes can be an indicator: http://www.nber.org/papers/w18326 > Our evidence suggests that increases in cigarette taxes are associated with small decreases in cigarette consumption and that it will take sizable tax increases, on the order of 100%, to decrease adult smoking by as much as 5%.

A small decrease in plastic waste is insufficient. We need radical solutions yesterday, not lackluster solutions three months from now.

Re: Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere

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Post by rrcaptain » Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 7:17 AM UTC

fouc wrote: post #200

It should be possible to design floating trash collecting buoys in swimming areas that would gather trash due to wave action, no power or active mechanisms needed. Perhaps someone would go by and empty them every morning. Hotels and resorts on beaches would love to have something like this.

And the waste companies they empty them to end up dumping them in some other water way.

Re: Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere

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Post by a_imho » Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 7:22 AM UTC

asteli wrote: post #79

Re: microfibers making it into water systems: This is a con to synthetic fibers that I hadn't been considering before. Recently I learned that cotton has a pretty high environmental footprint (land use, highest pesticide use of any crop, high water consumption) [1], and thus started moving some of my clothing purchases toward polyester-blends (trades the cons of cotton for petrochemical and energy use). Does anyone h…

I did not examine the claims in detail, but a few sport teams announced they will use a kit made from recovered ocean plastics. Probably worth looking into it?

[1]http://www.espn.com/soccer/blog/the-toe-poke/65/post/3569720...

Re: Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere

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Post by WalterSear » Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 7:28 AM UTC

rrcaptain wrote: post #224

WalterSear wrote: post #216

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So we shouldn't try? Political games are all there is.

>Political games are all there is. That's not true. A better world is possible, but not if we restrict ourselves to shortminded solutions like taxes and electoral politics. This is a systemic flaw, you can't work inside of the system to try to solve it.

So what's the alternative? Innumerate libertarian pipe dreams? Bolshevik revolution?

Re: Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere

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Post by DoreenMichele » Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 7:33 AM UTC

fredsir wrote: post #212

DoreenMichele wrote: post #131

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Insulin resistance is related to inadequate muscle mass/protein. Research has linked diabetes to inflammation, which may be related to body chemistry or infection or both.

> Insulin resistance is related to inadequate muscle mass/protein. Source? Insulin resistance is literally a drop in insulin sensitivity caused by intramyocellular lipid, which is the build-up of fat inside muscle cells. > Research has linked diabetes to inflammation, which may be related to body chemistry or infection or both. Not as one being the cause of the other. If I'm not mistaken, they are both symptoms cause…

Source you requested:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8748147

Re: Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere

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Post by rrcaptain » Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 7:35 AM UTC

WalterSear wrote: post #234

rrcaptain wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Political games are all there is. That's not true. A better world is possible, but not if we restrict ourselves to shortminded solutions like taxes and electoral politics. This is a systemic flaw, you can't work inside of the system to try to solve it.

So what's the alternative? Innumerate libertarian pipe dreams? Bolshevik revolution?

There's literally centuries of thought on leftist alternatives. I can't sufficiently explain them in a HN comment. But The Conquest of Bread is a good place to start.

Re: Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere

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Post by Tharkun » Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 7:40 AM UTC

bacon_waffle wrote: post #199

asteli wrote: post #79

Re: microfibers making it into water systems: This is a con to synthetic fibers that I hadn't been considering before. Recently I learned that cotton has a pretty high environmental footprint (land use, highest pesticide use of any crop, high water consumption) [1], and thus started moving some of my clothing purchases toward polyester-blends (trades the cons of cotton for petrochemical and energy use). Does anyone h…

Wool is a great material to consider as well.

Especially for socks during exercise. I find it helps keep my feet dry much more than cotton oe synthetics.

Re: Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere

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Post by akerro » Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 7:41 AM UTC

pasta wrote: post #204

Support the ocean cleanup project. Some people are very sceptical about the project but it's the only project that is trying to collect plastic asap. Asap = 18 days from now. https://www.theoceancleanup.com/

>the only project that is trying to collect plastic asap.

There are similar project in UK, Germany, Poland and other Baltic countries, this one is just bigger than all other combined.

Re: Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere

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Post by WalterSear » Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 7:50 AM UTC

rrcaptain wrote: post #236

WalterSear wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's the alternative? Innumerate libertarian pipe dreams? Bolshevik revolution?

There's literally centuries of thought on leftist alternatives. I can't sufficiently explain them in a HN comment. But The Conquest of Bread is a good place to start.

Innumerate Libertarian Bolshevik revolution pipe dreams. Well played.

Re: Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere

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Post by fredsir » Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 7:53 AM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #235

fredsir wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Insulin resistance is related to inadequate muscle mass/protein. Source? Insulin resistance is literally a drop in insulin sensitivity caused by intramyocellular lipid, which is the build-up of fat inside muscle cells. > Research has linked diabetes to inflammation, which may be related to body chemistry or infection or both. Not as one being the cause of the other. If I'm not mistaken, they are both symptoms cause…

Source you requested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8748147

As you probably are aware off after having read that study, it doesn't negate the lipotoxicity hypothesis, but merely proposes that it is probably not the only cause and that the role of a decline in muscle mass is perhaps also a key player specifically for the elderly where significant decline in muscle mass is typical, but obviously not so much in other population where it isn't.

However, very interesting read indeed, thank you!