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Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by dalore »

hiram112 wrote: post #194
anonu wrote: post #153

Couple anecdotal points: - Used to have to sleep problems - mainly just my mind racing with all the (stress of) things I had to do. The symptoms were trouble sleeping and/or waking in the middle of the night with instant thoughts of projects, task lists. - Melatonin didn't help me much. Maybe their effect was too subtle on me - maybe I was using the wrong dose as mentioned in the post. - Magnesium Glycinate pills bef…

Where did you get the idea for Magnesium Glycinate? Never heard of it. My sleep cycle has been out of whack since 17 years old. I've learned the hard way - no school jobs, relationships, etc. that require early mornings. I have been able to improve things with a half of dose of Ambien 2-3x a week. I've heard good reports from some of the newer patented drugs (Lunesta, I think) but they're still quite expensive.

You don't want to take a sleeping pill everynight. That's pretty bad. I would suggest meditation.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by collyw »

dalore wrote: post #231
hiram112 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you get the idea for Magnesium Glycinate? Never heard of it. My sleep cycle has been out of whack since 17 years old. I've learned the hard way - no school jobs, relationships, etc. that require early mornings. I have been able to improve things with a half of dose of Ambien 2-3x a week. I've heard good reports from some of the newer patented drugs (Lunesta, I think) but they're still quite expensive.

You don't want to take a sleeping pill everynight. That's pretty bad. I would suggest meditation.

I have tried tons of stuff for sleeping. Meditation helps, but to be honest Magnesium Bisglycinate has had far better effect. Plus meditation takes a fair bit of practice and is unlikely to help in help immediately because of that.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by gassiss »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #218
theptip wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does, assuming you're getting enough vegetables; fruit is mostly sugar (high glycemic load which causes crashes, promotes diabetes, etc.), so not actually that good for you on the macronutrient level.

Uh not really. Most fruit is both low to medium GI and GL. Sugar in fruit is bound to fiber and bloodstream uptake is fairly slow. There is a negative correlation between RDA fruit consumption and diabetes.

I'm wondering why you're flagged. Yes, fruits have sugar (fructose), but when you're eating the fruit whole your comment is on point. The fiber in the fruit makes the sugar absorption slower.

Of course if you're drinking 2L of juice a day you're gonna have a problem, as you would going ham on any kind of food. (ANY)

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by Karawebnetwork »

anonu wrote: post #153

Couple anecdotal points: - Used to have to sleep problems - mainly just my mind racing with all the (stress of) things I had to do. The symptoms were trouble sleeping and/or waking in the middle of the night with instant thoughts of projects, task lists. - Melatonin didn't help me much. Maybe their effect was too subtle on me - maybe I was using the wrong dose as mentioned in the post. - Magnesium Glycinate pills bef…

Used to have really bad eye tics, along with difficulty falling asleep and leg cramps. For the longest time I thought it was Tourette or some other neurological issue. Turn out I was deficient in magnesium for all my early adulthood (coffee and alcohol depletes it quickly). Minerals are underrated.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by kdelok »

dogcow wrote: post #161
anonu wrote: post #153

Couple anecdotal points: - Used to have to sleep problems - mainly just my mind racing with all the (stress of) things I had to do. The symptoms were trouble sleeping and/or waking in the middle of the night with instant thoughts of projects, task lists. - Melatonin didn't help me much. Maybe their effect was too subtle on me - maybe I was using the wrong dose as mentioned in the post. - Magnesium Glycinate pills bef…

I am sharing my experience because I know how awful sleep problems can be. I'm in my 30s and eat what many consider a very healthful diet - virtually no sugar, just veggies, high quality fats and proteins, and minimal fruit. I spend 7-9 hours in bed; yet wake up feeling exhausted every. single. day. I'd love to exercise, but I'm too continuously tired to get started. Melatonin, when taken via dissolving sublingual ta…

Do you find it easier to fall asleep at other times than when you choose to go to bed? It might be that you have delayed sleep phase syndrome, or (less likely) a non-24 hour sleep phase issue.

My partner is non-24 and generally manages a "normal" schedule. However, she sometimes has to roll her sleep, where she'll go to bed an average of 1.5 hours later each day, until she's back to going to bed around 10.

When she is holding her sleep schedule steady she uses light goggles in the morning (literally goggles with bright reflected lights on them) and low-dose melatonin at night (can't remember the exact dose). She also watches her meal times relative to when she wants to go to sleep. I think these things would be useful for someone without the non-24 issues, but are good sleep hygiene things.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by Raphmedia »

iEchoic wrote: post #220

> Yes. Most existing melatonin tablets are around ten to thirty times the correct dose. I couldn't find an explanation why they'd be sold at this dose from this article, which makes me suspicious of this. Am I missing something? What would be the motive for this?

It is not their motivation but what's great about those huge doses is that you can cut the pills and the bottle of pill last two or four time as long.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by graphitezepp »

iEchoic wrote: post #220

> Yes. Most existing melatonin tablets are around ten to thirty times the correct dose. I couldn't find an explanation why they'd be sold at this dose from this article, which makes me suspicious of this. Am I missing something? What would be the motive for this?

I suspect it's just marketing. Consumers like seeing the big numbers because they assume bigger number more effective.

Re: Melatonin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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Post by cbs_vs_dbs »

As someone who works from home 90% of the time and sleeps/works in a room with a huge skylight, I've never had better sleep, energy, and overall "consistency" with my body. The most notable issues being that I actually feel sleepy when it's time to sleep, and I can fall asleep within minutes. I've never really experienced that before.

I used to work nightshifts with mostly light-blocking shades, and the only natural sunlight was the light that came in from the small gap above the room partition (I lived in a flex room/living room). That set-up was the worst.

I've had various life variables and combinations of them, but aside from the night-shift one, and obvious ones like constant sleep deprivation, it does seem like sunlight is playing the next-most significant role in helping to regulate my body and sleep.

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