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Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by klodolph »

rglover wrote: post #217

Sure, there's a policy, but who cares? People need to quit meddling in the affairs of others. If a relationship is consensual what's the issue? If we're spending a significant part of our waking hours at work, it should be a baked in assumption that at some point, some coworkers are going to end up in a romantic relationship together. Hell, the majority of my significant romantic relationships started out as consensu…

I’ve seen these relationships cause major problems. Bob had a relationship with Alice, and now couldn’t fire her because it would look like quid pro quo (not getting into details here). Alice was the worst manager I have ever worked for, and many of her direct reports were quitting without notice (including me).

Even though what happened between Alice and Bob was consensual, it made it impossible for Bob to do his job. Alice and Bob were both fired.

You can’t effectively distinguish between a “good relationship” and a “bad relationship” so a blanket rule makes the most sense. The issue is not necessarily about whether the relationship itself is ethical, but how it appears to observers and if it affects the organization.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by lightedman »

paulddraper wrote: post #111
sbinthree wrote: post #5

There is no way you would fire a CEO you actually wanted in place because they had a consensual relationship with a subordinate in the past . Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work. Why is it that corporate morals rule?

> Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? Or consider Mozilla's week-long CEO who years earlier donated $1000 to a popular ballot initiative supported by most California voters. Be careful how you vote, citizen. Your livelihood depends on it.

"popular ballot initiative supported by most California voters"

Considering it didn't pass Supreme Court muster, guess what? Those voters were obviously wrong and stupid, and should probably have their right to vote stripped forever.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by maccio92 »

ansible wrote: post #204
gascan wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We may discover the stagnant generation-to-generation performance uplift over the past ~10 years was mostly due to lack of competition in the market.

I don't think that has been the case. The stuff I've read about the new process nodes from the last decade indicate that moving to those hasn't been easy. And the chip designers haven't had it easy either, with each new process comes a longer and longer list of restrictions and other difficulties. Transitioning an existing CPU design (for example) to a new process node was never easy per se, but it has never been har…

That's why AMD innovated on a new CPU design, because what we've been using doesn't cut it anymore. Look at their CCX architecture and infinity fabric

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by greglindahl »

nulagrithom wrote: post #183
drb91 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why assume at all?

Because writing in English requires either gender specific singular pronouns or the awkward sounding use of a gender neutral _plural_ pronoun referring to a singular person.

Shakespeare used "they" to refer to singular people.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by jl2718 »

lovich wrote: post #144
YorkshireSeason wrote: post #69

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This is a very good reply, and it can be used to refine the analysis, and bring out the difference between both: - abusive relationship was typically considered problematic by at least one participant even at the time. - Boss / subordinate relationship was typically not considered problematic by both participants at the time. Classic examples doctor/nurse, pilot/stewardess, professor/PhD student, lawyer/secretary. I…

I mean, I get what you're saying but there have been plenty of people in relationships that would be criminally abusive who didn't have a problem with the relationship. Just because someone thought the situation was fine doesn't mean that it was good for society, and unless we become a libertarian paradise those questions are going to be asked when the situation has the heuristics that point to there being a problem

I think the point is that it limits the motivations for somebody to seek a position of power. Hopefully to ones that are good for the company.

It’s hard to find a trustworthy executive. That’s probably the #1 trait for effectiveness. Not saying that we do a good job of finding them.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by jhasse »

greglindahl wrote: post #234
nulagrithom wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because writing in English requires either gender specific singular pronouns or the awkward sounding use of a gender neutral _plural_ pronoun referring to a singular person.

Shakespeare used "they" to refer to singular people.

Shakespeare's language is very awkward today.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by jl2718 »

gdulli wrote: post #122
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #104

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>Well the obvious literal answer is that the subordinate can't exploit the organizational power dynamic the way someone the CEO can This is absolutely not the case. The dynamic surrounding someone who is sleeping with the CEO will be similar to the dynamic surrounding the CEO's brother. They get what they want, even if they want something dumb that isn't in the company's best interest, with little to no push-back bec…

Well that's a very limited and simplistic best case scenario for the subordinate, but you'd really have to go out of your way to fail to see the other obvious possible outcomes that range from problematic to criminal.

His reply pointed out a specific abuse of power that negatively affects the company. You failed to do so in your reply.

And seriously, name one possible motivation other than extortion for starting a relationship with a married executive.

And for the married executive, name one possible motivation other than sexual interest for a relationship with a subordinate.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by johngalt »

dooglius wrote: post #27
sbinthree wrote: post #5

There is no way you would fire a CEO you actually wanted in place because they had a consensual relationship with a subordinate in the past . Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work. Why is it that corporate morals rule?

>No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work You really don't think so? I'm no CEO but I imagine carrying a gun around would at least warrant some public criticism, particularly for a tech CEO in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Why? If you were worth hundreds of millions, wouldn't it make sense to have some means of self defense?
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