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The immigration laws don’t have to be enforced in these clearly abusive ways. A majority of Americans think that.
How do we know that? A majority of voting elgible US citizens didn't even bother to show up to vote. Regardless what we got for the 2016 election, it was no mandate.
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#232This is like when IBM built and sold tabulating machines to the Nazis to help the Nazis record people killed during the Holocaust.
Microsoft: do you want people to eventually reference you in the future in this way?
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It's got nothing to do with that. Seperating toddlers and very young children from their families is absolutely inhumane.
It's cruel, unusual, and inhumane, and almost certainly unconstitutional.
Haven't we done this ever since we invented jail/prison? Very few countries let criminals bring their kids to prison or require it.
There must be more than one country that puts kids in prison with the parents, but right now I can only think of one: North Korea
Most people consider that to be cruel and inhumane.
In case you were thinking that parents (or all people?) should never go to prison, well... that gets absurd. Unless you have some other punishment in mind, it means that parents literally get away with murder.
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^ turn off cortana and windows starts to fall apart in strange and subtle ways (ie no more local search index)
With or without Cortana windows 10 search is horrible. The fact that XYZ will come as the first result for XY but will dissapear when you search XYZ is the noticeably horrible ux I've seen since the Zune.
That's fuzzy search for you, finder has had this since 10.10 afaik.
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#235If I had the money, I'd start a non-profit who's goal is to get tech companies, and localities to boycott ICE, NSA and unethical government initiatives. Though, I guess EFF kind of does a lot of that. But, I wouldn't mind devoting all my time to that sort of thing instead of coding all day. :P
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What’s the worst that can happen if we let them in? Our economy improves and our crime rate drops?
1. There's another billion waiting to enter. 2. There is legal process of entry, they should follow it. 3. Illegal immigration drives down wages, crowding out the most vulnerable citizens of the US. 4. A country decides how and when people are allowed in. There are numerous downsides to mass immigration including stress on services like health, social services and accommodation. Again, to the detriment of citizens.
> There's another billion waiting to enter.
I think you’re vastly overestimating how much people want to move here.
Furthermore, legal immigration would not lower wages. It’s the fact that we don’t provide a legalization process that allows people to charge under minimum wage.
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The crime isn’t seeking asylum. It’s entering the country illegally. The asylum part is irrelevant for anything beyond creating a sob story for marketing politically divisive messaging.
Asylum is not entering the country illegally, it has a legal process. It is not a non-sequitur, it is the topic under discussion.
Sure, but there are essentially no legitimate claims in the USA because of the requirements for asylum:
1. You are being persecuted for something like religion or ethnicity. Poverty and ordinary gang violence doesn't count.
2. You must declare asylum in the first safe country you reach. Given that both Canada and Mexico are considered safe countries, it is extremely difficult to meet this requirement. You'd pretty much have to sneak onto an airplane without being caught.
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You do realize that borders are totally arbitrary and that with the stroke of a pen any of these rules could be changed, right? What makes you so convinced that we are completely powerless to change this system that we’ve created? Just repeating “it’s a crime!” over and over again is absolutely no justification for how these people are treated, and I think you know that.
If you don’t believe a nation has the moral right to decide who to admit into itself, then we’re just operating from different axioms and will never agree.
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Yeah, this is definitely the best counterargument on this point. I do agree that it's very difficult, but it's not like the other alternatives are easy in any way (see the current debacle as exhibit A). If I heard politicians talking about how they've tried and failed to attack this side of the question in different ways, I may be more sympathetic to the alternatives. The deafening silence on this point makes me very…
It's just a very difficult problem to solve. The drug war has proven you can't just rely on enforcement with laws that run across the economic grain. You need to find a way to align them, and that will take time and massive commitment. Unfortunately we're not collectively interested in that, we're far more interested in proving the other side wrong. On a side note, a few well-told and politically neutral stories out…
Yeah I think we agree on all counts. Except that maybe I'm a bit more surprised than you are that people aren't collectively interested in putting in the commitment to actually solve a problem.
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The asylum backlog is 600,000 cases. They are not aslyum seekers, they are trying to take advantage of the backlog since under the earlier process they could just wait for their court date and disappear into the country before that. Asylum requests have gone up over 1000% because this exploit has been figured out and it is now the default method of gaining entry. 83% of the kids aren't even with their parents, they a…
I think you are over estimating the consciousness of people seeking asylum, I don't know how they could be aware of the backlog of cases.
You are very naive and uninformed. Do some research before just claiming someone who has real metrics is over estimating. There have been objective studies about the abuse of the asylum process and the prevalence of asylum fraud. Do some research and then opine.
By the way, entering the US illegally is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE and when parents with children in tow are arrested the children don’t get a bunk bed in their parents’ cell. The parents know the risk and take it so they are the ones who are creating the problem. The laws are being enforced as they are at borders in every country except ours until recently.
There are legal ways to come to this country as refugees use those procedures instead of paying the cartels and criminal elements to smuggle you here.
If only people cared about the veterans who are sacrificing their lives to fight for our country a fraction of how much they care about illegal aliens. The priorities of far too many have become disgraceful. Protest for veterans and their families to get better benefits. Support groups that support the veterans who protect your right to free speech instead of protesting first to protect illegal aliens who have no right to be hear.
Fleeing gangs in Central America is not asylum—people from the US should seek asylum in other countries if that’s the case because the inner cities are filled with victims of gang violence. Political refugees haven’t come from Central America since the 80s. Sorry people can’t pick a real cause to support.