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Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by golergka »

Wofiel wrote: post #203
ehecatl wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had never thought of that. That's cynical genius of the highest order. AND they get to play the moral high-ground card of "seriously, we're sorry! We're on your side-- look at what we're doing to help!"

When tobacco advertising was banned from TV, literally all tobacco companies profited. It was a classic example of game theory - If one of them advertised, they all needed to advertise to keep up, but if none of them do (or were unable to because of regulations), they all profit because people were still buying tobacco.

All, except a hypothetical new tobacco startup company. Or not so hypothetical new wave of vaping devices (I don't know much about this industry, just an armchair analyst here).

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by golergka »

jedberg wrote: post #18

I saw a great "joke" the other day. It said, "If Shazam or Siri can't identify a song for you, make a quick video and upload it to YouTube. Within a few seconds you'll get a copyright takedown telling you the name of the song".

I wonder, how many laws would I break if I implemented a Song ID service based on youtube APIs that way?

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by shados »

pitaj wrote: post #75
haywirez wrote: post #20

As you might know, this is related to the disastrous EU copyright reform directive proposal that would mandate such filters put in place everywhere. Please don't be complacent, it's very important to do something about this. At risk of repeating my comment[0] from 3 days ago, I'd like to appeal to you to contact the MEPs that will vote on Wednesday in the EU's JURI committee. This was the first time I called politici…

According to some, YouTube's copyright filters / markers aren't good enough to satisfy the EU directive. It's insane. The DMCA is bad enough already. Copyright should be loosened, not tightened. Then maybe we'd see some competition in video hosting.

Yeah, things like this will have similar effects as certain highly regulated sectors in the US, where software is 20 years behind the time and built for billions of dollars by huge contracting firms because it's so difficult/expensive to make anything compliant with the rules.

No one can build filters that are good enough beyond the big tech cos. They can build these libraries and hopefully open source them for everyone to use...but if they don't...

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by amyjess »

reificator wrote: post #27
jedberg wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know the guy who created ContentID. He's a good guy and only had good intentions, namely to keep YouTube in business by identifying legit copyright issues. At the time, a human had to review all the claims. This is a good example of how AI can go bad.

I'm not demonizing the people making it, or even necessarily the people demanding it be made. The DMCA was the beginning of the end of a free and open internet, and now it's accelerating. I just hope the next generation understands what they're missing under the spectre of copyright law.

While the DMCA has been abused by large corporations, it has been invaluable in helping protect the little guy.

It's been a huge boon to independent content creators that you can just send somebody a DMCA takedown notice and they'll comply. Before the DMCA, you had to pay out the nose for a lawyer, and you'd be in for a long and very, very expensive legal process. Your average photographer can't afford that, so copyright enforcement was solely a privilege of the rich prior to the DMCA.

Here's an example. I know someone who shared pictures of herself in a private women-only group. Someone who ran a really disgusting cyberbullying page on Facebook had a mole in the group and posted the pictures publicly while making fun of her appearance and calling her slurs. Since the photographer was a friend of hers, the photographer simply sent Facebook a bunch of DMCA notices telling the cyberbullying page to take down the pictures. Facebook complied in under an hour. The cyberbullying page tried to post the pictures again; more DMCA notices were sent, and the whole page was unpublished.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by vetinari »

shados wrote: post #233
pitaj wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to some, YouTube's copyright filters / markers aren't good enough to satisfy the EU directive. It's insane. The DMCA is bad enough already. Copyright should be loosened, not tightened. Then maybe we'd see some competition in video hosting.

Yeah, things like this will have similar effects as certain highly regulated sectors in the US, where software is 20 years behind the time and built for billions of dollars by huge contracting firms because it's so difficult/expensive to make anything compliant with the rules. No one can build filters that are good enough beyond the big tech cos. They can build these libraries and hopefully open source them for every…

> No one can build filters that are good enough beyond the big tech cos. They can build these libraries and hopefully open source them for everyone to use...but if they don't...

It is backwards: nothing but whatever can be build by big tech companies is good enough, because their lobbying and interests define what's good enough. It's also obvious, why it wouldn't get open-sourced then. Kicking the ladder and so on.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by MrStonedOne »

ucaetano wrote: post #139
vezycash wrote: post #3

YouTube seems to be more of a monopoly than Google Search. If only Facebook created a dedicated site for Facebook videos. Fbtube, fbv.com... Microsoft has a YouTube like service but limits it to enterprise. Since video hosting is such a resource intensive undertaking, I wonder why many free porn sites don't have outages and have no limit on uploads for free users - unlike YouTube competitors.

This isn't a competition problem: Any competitor that gets big enough to challenge YT will attract the same scrutiny from content rights owners. and will face the same copyright issues that YT does. The problem isn't in the content hosting industry, it is on the policy & legal side.

Yet this issue is on youtube preemptively blocking first party content by established organizations. This isn't Babby's First Copyright Violiating CS:GO Montage, this is content released by the same university that trained a chunk of youtube's employees.

The issues we are seeing can be easily fixed by some simple common sense controls on what levels of certainty are required to take down a video and/or channel that scale with how established the channel is, including requiring escalating levels of human review.

With the "advertiser friendly" issue, the same approach can be taken, topped off with a monetize time prompt or form that allows them to assert how advertiser friendly the uploader understands the video to be (weighted by the history of how accurate their answers have been in the past).

These are such solved problems, that youtube really shouldn't be having them.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by lainga »

obsurveyor wrote: post #230

There's an update buried at the bottom of the article. Ton Roosendaal tweeted[1] that they sent Blender a contract to enable monetization. I can see why he doesn't want to do it based on the principles of the Blender Foundation. Sounds to me like Youtube is holding these creator's content hostage because they don't want to put up ads. He put the contract up for review as well: http://download.blender.org/institute/Co…

Ought to tell Torrentfreak and all involved. It's not a piracy filter gone wrong, it's monetization humans at Youtube.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by ucaetano »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #236
ucaetano wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a competition problem: Any competitor that gets big enough to challenge YT will attract the same scrutiny from content rights owners. and will face the same copyright issues that YT does. The problem isn't in the content hosting industry, it is on the policy & legal side.

Yet this issue is on youtube preemptively blocking first party content by established organizations. This isn't Babby's First Copyright Violiating CS:GO Montage, this is content released by the same university that trained a chunk of youtube's employees. The issues we are seeing can be easily fixed by some simple common sense controls on what levels of certainty are required to take down a video and/or channel that s…

> some simple common sense controls on what levels of certainty are required to take down a video

This is solved already, but there will always be false positives.

What isn't solved, and likely never will be, is copyright.

But it seems that the issue isn't due to content ID, but contractual issues.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by gregallan »

mmaanniisshh wrote: post #133

YouTube has [addressed the issue]( https://venturebeat.com/2018/06/18/youtube-is-working-to-res... ). There is no mention of copyright violation, it says it was updating user agreements.

It seems YouTube's statement here is really disingenuous. When they say "We are working with MITOpenCourseWare and Blender Foundation to get their videos back online." they mean that they are holding these non-profit organizations' video hosting rights hostage until they agree to enable ads! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17347560

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by MrStonedOne »

ucaetano wrote: post #238
MrStonedOne wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet this issue is on youtube preemptively blocking first party content by established organizations. This isn't Babby's First Copyright Violiating CS:GO Montage, this is content released by the same university that trained a chunk of youtube's employees. The issues we are seeing can be easily fixed by some simple common sense controls on what levels of certainty are required to take down a video and/or channel that s…

> some simple common sense controls on what levels of certainty are required to take down a video This is solved already, but there will always be false positives. What isn't solved, and likely never will be, is copyright. But it seems that the issue isn't due to content ID, but contractual issues.

Ya, youtube is obucating this, but it seems they are changing the terms to force monetization on certain kinds of content where they never did before. As in, force the creator to take a cut (as well as enable more ads to be shown.)

It seems like an odd play, increase supply of ad slots while dealing with a demand decrease from random companies dropping ads during drama. They must have signed some kind of deal recently.

If they are trying to increase the ad slot supply expect actions against ad blockers to come next.

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