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>Apple would be insane to comply with these demands, because it just opens the door for every other regieme to do the same. But they already did in China, right?
This it seems is something i missed - they banned VPN apps?
Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
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Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#232Apple has now entered dangerous territory. Over the last month they seem to have banned apps because some government out there didn't like that app. To make matters worse, those very same governments weren't happy with the app being removed from their regional app store but they demanded it removed from all app stores. The VPN issue was a wake up call for a lot of developers. These apps were on the app store for year…
There are now plenty of VPN apps on iOS App Store China, some of which have literal "VPN" in their names. Many were removed, but then many new are added. For example, I used an App called Wingy to connect to my shadowsocks server, and that app was removed during the purge of VPN apps. But then other Wingy-like apps appear, and I am now using one of them. I don't know what exactly has happened though. Is Apple defying…
Is it possible that the intent is kept somewhat secretive and the review teams aren't aware of it? This would lead to new apps being approved but then catch-up happens and they're removed.
I am speculating and somewhat playing devil's advocate. My thought process is that Apple is huge, global, and communication is going to suffer sometimes for it.
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#233Apple has now entered dangerous territory. Over the last month they seem to have banned apps because some government out there didn't like that app. To make matters worse, those very same governments weren't happy with the app being removed from their regional app store but they demanded it removed from all app stores. The VPN issue was a wake up call for a lot of developers. These apps were on the app store for year…
There are now plenty of VPN apps on iOS App Store China, some of which have literal "VPN" in their names. Many were removed, but then many new are added. For example, I used an App called Wingy to connect to my shadowsocks server, and that app was removed during the purge of VPN apps. But then other Wingy-like apps appear, and I am now using one of them. I don't know what exactly has happened though. Is Apple defying…
had to ban all the good vpn apps to make sure users would download the latest ones with all the latest backdoor tech!
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#234Apple has now entered dangerous territory. Over the last month they seem to have banned apps because some government out there didn't like that app. To make matters worse, those very same governments weren't happy with the app being removed from their regional app store but they demanded it removed from all app stores. The VPN issue was a wake up call for a lot of developers. These apps were on the app store for year…
There are now plenty of VPN apps on iOS App Store China, some of which have literal "VPN" in their names. Many were removed, but then many new are added. For example, I used an App called Wingy to connect to my shadowsocks server, and that app was removed during the purge of VPN apps. But then other Wingy-like apps appear, and I am now using one of them. I don't know what exactly has happened though. Is Apple defying…
AFAIK VPNs are not outright banned in China, rather, they have to follow regulation which enables the government to inspect the traffic.
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not applicable to Telegram, but if the app is open source and you have a Mac (!) you can install it using Xcode. Since Signal is actually open source, you can install it even if Apple decides to block it in the future (if you have a Mac).
Do note that it will only run for 7 days unless you pay Apple $100 a year for the privilege of running code on your own device. You can reinstall it every 7 days for free though!
This is only true for iOS apps, not for Mac Apps. You can get Xcode and compile whatever you want with it.
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#236This is a fundamental problem with the single DRM-enforced app store model that Apple innovated, and which has been widely copied and lauded. Once you implement that, you have to toady up to whatever governments exist, including oppressive/murderous regimes, to be in their markets. If your ecosystem is just console video games, say, it's not that big of a deal; you have to either censor some games or don't enter cert…
>But if your ecosystem is about general-purpose apps and communication tools, you become complicit to some degree in all sorts of vile shit; oppression and forced relocation of minorities (China), mass murder of gay people (Russia), etc.
I wonder if it would be possible to sort of fence off communication tools to a more open area of the ecosystem.... like everything in an curated app store.... then another space where it is a bit of the wild west but you don't control what is installed... sort of Android's ability to side load apps....
Granted this is convoluted and I guess there's nothing keeping that side channel from becoming all pirated apps from the other store....
well that thought experiment didn't work.
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
> most users are better served by a gatekeeper. I think the point is that Android's marketplace functions as a gate keeper. Apple's marketplace functions as a prison warden . The difference is whether you on the inside are allowed to make exceptions for who can come through, or even pass through yourself. If you have no control, what you've been told is a protective wall is actually restraining wall. That said, as to…
And then people install pirated .apk making iOS the most profitable mobile platform for developers as they prefer to focus on iOS, especially regarding expensive apps.
Do you actually know of anyone that installs pirated APK files? Do you have actual statistics as to how prevalent it is? I'm sure it happens, but if you're going to use it as the reason "iOS is the most profitable platform for developers" you're going to need to more evidence than an unsupported assertion such as that.
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#238The App Store guidelines [5] indicate that, with regard to a single app, the app author (Telegram) "must comply with all legal requirements". Telegram agreed to this requirement when they published their latest update two months ago, and so Telegram – not Apple – is liable for illegality. Apple received a notice of illegality from Russia regarding Telegram, a third-party app. This notice was inappropriately delivered…
> "must comply with all legal requirements" Every country has its own legal requirements. As Telegram is a British company I assume it must comply only with British laws, right?
Telegram may absolutely ignore non-British laws and refuse to concern itself with them. Independent of laws, Apple may refuse Telegram access to the App Store if a guideline is not met.
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
None of those in any way support your comment, whatsoever. And calling Chechnya Russia is similar to calling Peurto Rico the United States. It's a subject of Russia, but is not what you'd call Russia. It's a 95% Islamic nation that waged a lengthy war of terror attacks against Russia and has its own independent government, rules, and laws which are driven primarily by Islamic law. You'll find nations driven by Islami…
Hmm, I'm American, so I can tell you Puerto Rico absolutely is part of the United States. My understanding is that Chechnya is part of Russia in a similar way, but I'm not an expert there, so maybe I'm wrong. If so, then I should have said "murder of gays in the Russian Federation" or "in Chechnya". But, I mean, I could have instead said "state-sponsored assassinations of journalists and political opponents in Russia…
> Hmm, I'm American, so I can tell you Puerto Rico absolutely is part of the United States.
You misunderstand. They're saying that referring to the entire US (or Russia) when you really only mean Puerto Rico (or Chechnya) is somewhat disingenuous, and clouds what is actually being said.
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#240Tweet from Founder/CEO of Telegram: https://twitter.com/durov/status/1002653210245586944 ("Thank you @Apple and @tim_cook for letting us deliver the latest version of @telegram to millions of users, despite the recent setbacks.")