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Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by pwagland »

mrweasel wrote: post #229
Stratoscope wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$270 USD? That can't be right. Full retail price is only $199. Amazon and Newegg both sell Windows 10 Pro retail download for $189, and Windows 10 Pro 64 bit System Builder OEM disc for $143. These aren't sale prices, just regular prices.

Windows 10 Pro is 1899DKK from Microsoft, that's 315USD. Home is cheaper, at 1099 (180USD).

In the Netherlands it is 259€ ( https://www.microsoft.com/nl-nl/store/d/windows-10-pro/df77x... ) that is 317USD in the conversion, so that sounds about right when you don't live in the US.

Of course, these European prices already include sales tax, which the US prices don't, but even then it would still be ~250USD without BTW.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by Alan_Dillman »

tyingq wrote: post #41
castle-bravo wrote: post #10

Am I paraphrasing this correctly: > Microsoft-branded ARM microcontrollers running an embedded linux distribution. Microsoft rolls out security updates over Azure to reduce the risk of the device becoming part of a botnet. It sounds great.

It does. But, it's also pretty surreal for those of us that worked through the anti-linux Microsoft of the 90's. Windows subsystem for Linux, and initiatives like this are a real confirmation that MS finally "gets it". Right tool for the right job. Good for them. It's also a big swing for me in that I trust MS more than Google now to do the right thing. I'd have thought that impossible a couple of decades ago.

That Redhat commercial was right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE00uo3o_MU

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by pwagland »

Stratoscope wrote: post #148
valarauca1 wrote: post #141

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My windows 10 Pro cost me $270 when I got it on christmas sale. I can't disable debug telemetry or cortona. If I set the options to via admin (or even safe mode) via registry edits. After a reboot I'll find them back on.

$270 USD? That can't be right. Full retail price is only $199. Amazon and Newegg both sell Windows 10 Pro retail download for $189, and Windows 10 Pro 64 bit System Builder OEM disc for $143. These aren't sale prices, just regular prices.

Not the grandparent, but in the Netherlands it is 259€ ( https://www.microsoft.com/nl-nl/store/d/windows-10-pro/df77x.... ) that is 317USD in the conversion, so that sounds about right when you don't live in the US.

Of course, these European prices already include sales tax, which the US prices don't, but even then it would still be ~250USD without BTW.

So 270USD on sale sounds like a decent savings!

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by eumenides1 »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #7

The article pretends to answer why they're using Linux instead of the NT kernel, but the answer is either incomplete or a non sequitur; it seems to imply that since the devices has very little power, their kernel isn't a good fit. I thought the NT kernel was pretty good at low power, and also has a highly respected internal design?

I think MS looked at the market and thought, well linux already owns the IoT market and doesn't care to take it on.

MS would have to spend money and effort to get NT to be where linux is already, then spend more money and more effort to get people to adopt NT for IoT. In the end, there is no profit in being the OS for IoT.

Instead MS opts to have IoT pay cloud fees for Azure. It helps grow their cloud efforts and profits from existing investments. They don't have to fight linux, just work with it.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by afroboy »

romanovcode wrote: post #189
ccozan wrote: post #143

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There is an 80% chance that you are carrying a Linux kernel powered device in your pocket right now. I think is a undisputed win.

Not for so long tho. Fuchsia is not linux.

And how many did Google abandon it's hyped projects?

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by RMarcus »

mattkevan wrote: post #209

Embrace, extend.. and extinguish!

The move does seem rather troubling, considering the history of Microsoft. Linux seems like it's a little too big for "extinguish," and th GPLv2 should provide some defense against nefarious "extend"ing...

But then again, I wonder how many now-defunct open standards and projects thought the same thing.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by gmueckl »

joezydeco wrote: post #216
gmueckl wrote: post #137

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You call 120MHz lowly? I call that luxury! I am working on a product where we're running an M4 way below 1MHz. And our hardware guys have me counting bytes in software... FreeRTOS is a pretty good fit for this situation. I am only disappointed that newlib is so ridiculously huge in comparison. Some functions in there are twice the size of FreeRTOS.

I typically wouldn't, since I grew up working on 1MHz 8-bit cores. But working with some of these tiny M0 and M3s, there's nothing slower than 60-120MHz now.

Well, these parts can almost always go much slower than that if you need to save power. Our hardware engineers want to because they reall, really, really do not want to provide the extra few uA for an extra half MHz or a few extra bytes of Flash. Which means I am stuck counting bytes and cycles like it is 1980 all over again.

Not saying this isn't fun, but don't tell my boss ;).

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by romanovcode »

afroboy wrote: post #235
romanovcode wrote: post #189

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Not for so long tho. Fuchsia is not linux.

And how many did Google abandon it's hyped projects?

Very doubtful they will abandon this project. This way they have full control over everything googleOS so they can spy more on what you do which is their endgame goal.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by tyingq »

arca_vorago wrote: post #225
tyingq wrote: post #74

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Curious about your feel on Google. Are they more, or less, likely to fleece end users as compared to MS?

I would say they are just as likely. I'd like to take a moment and point out that I see this response type way too often around here. Someone criticizes something and is almost always asked about why they aren't criticizing this other thing too. It's intellectually lazy and logically fallacious, as if when leveling justified ire on a person or company, you must then start listing every violator of the same type.

Sure. Though I wasn't meaning to to be lazy. I'd made the comparison of the two already.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by tyingq »

skepticmoron wrote: post #156
tyingq wrote: post #41

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It does. But, it's also pretty surreal for those of us that worked through the anti-linux Microsoft of the 90's. Windows subsystem for Linux, and initiatives like this are a real confirmation that MS finally "gets it". Right tool for the right job. Good for them. It's also a big swing for me in that I trust MS more than Google now to do the right thing. I'd have thought that impossible a couple of decades ago.

Sounds more like a PR push for Microsoft after lobbying fairly well on the cloud front. But, comparing google to Microsoft? You must be joking.

Not sure I get your stance here. Comparing them seems obvious, especially from a privacy angle.
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