Pushing this market off the internet and back onto the streets will increase the murder rate of sex workers. This bill will literally kill people. See Scott Cunningham at Baylor who specializes in the economics of Sex Work and other criminal markets.
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those numbers are all available. Germany's population is very stable and 2001-2003 changed by 0.2% based on world bank figures. > If it the trend was to increase by 30% but dropped afterwards to 20% then again it has worked in some way. Only of you have some real reason to expect the number to increase by 30%. Just looking at a trend is not enough.
Firstly, The entire paper is guesswork. There are no official numbers to support the fact that legalising prostitution increases the victim count. I just finished reading it and they even in the beginning state that they don’t have the data. Secondly, I was just making a point that in these kinds of researches a % value is IMO a better measurement
the original statement "legalization is the only answer to the problem" is similarly guesswork then
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
In defense of the "scorched earth approach or nothing" folks: from my perspective... it's a completely and totally human response to faceless, blameless, unapproachable (from their perspective) perpetrators and facilitators of systematic abuse and exploitation of innocent and vulnerable people. If you've ever felt frustrated at an IVR system for routine tasks such as banking, restaurant reservations, canceling a gym…
> it's a completely and totally human response to faceless, blameless, unapproachable (from their perspective) perpetrators and facilitators of systematic abuse and exploitation of innocent and vulnerable people. You mean, like millions of illegal immigrants who are working in farming, construction, fast food, and many other industries? How do you feel about scorched earth approach to those?
Apparently trading your body for sex is somehow metaphysically different to trading your body for labor.
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It seems some of the men living in Sweden are among the planets worst sexual predators, to word it carefully. Sweden is pushing new legislation that will increase the number of rapes even more. It will be a law of consent and will shift the burden of proof from the victim to the rapist. Unless the rapist can prove consent, he will be sentenced for rape by negligence. Under the new law, having sex with a traffic victi…
How will this work? If neither party can prove consent, they both rapped each other by negligence? Or does this only apply to Johns?
Don’t you mean Jans? ;)
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#235This is not surprising, but sad. Years ago, i was dragged (i was the only engineer in the local office) into a whitehouse (or maybe it was state department, i can't remember) sponsored working group on online sex trafficking. The non-profits dedicated to fighting this, while seemingly well-intentioned, were completely and totally unwilling to see any other perspective or try to find shared ground. It was scorched ear…
> it took them ~10 years to get the house to do it
Interesting. I wonder if the timing has anything to do with a recent particularly shocking case of sexual exploitation involving Craigslist:
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15601265.Sadistic_paedoph...
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#236This is not surprising, but sad. Years ago, i was dragged (i was the only engineer in the local office) into a whitehouse (or maybe it was state department, i can't remember) sponsored working group on online sex trafficking. The non-profits dedicated to fighting this, while seemingly well-intentioned, were completely and totally unwilling to see any other perspective or try to find shared ground. It was scorched ear…
:%s/sex trafficking/mass shooting/g
:%s/gun control laws/internet control laws/g
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the key aspects of prostitution is it provides an alternative outcome to marriage. Why else would a man step into marriage where 100% rules have been thoughtfully designed against him (except love, for as long as it lasts), if he could last a few years longer by using prostitution... Heck, even sex dolls are being forbidden, even though they cause absolutely no harm to humans (a sex doll house is being closed…
You know that you can have consensual sexual relationships outside of marriage, right? They don't even have to be exclusive. Seriously, dude, if you're a "hungry man", open Tinder or just go to a local hook up bar. Hooking up for a one night stand is trivial.
I look repulsive and my personality isn't much better. Hookups are quite out of the question. But it must be nice to be attractive and have enough money to go out clubbing.
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#238I am fucking sick and fucking tired of people interfering with the free choice of individuals in any effort to "fix" society and "help" people. Lawmakers and advocates, have some epistemic humility and acknowledge that your own perspective may be mistaken. Not everything is oppression. Not every activity is injustice. Sometimes, people just fucking disagree.
This is the natural consequence of willingly giving so much money and power to our "big" governments. Surprise, surprise - they will use it.
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
Decentralized is the ultimate tech fantasy. It never happens at mass consumer scale. There isn't a single example of that in the last 25 years of the Internet. The reason it never happens, is because most people with a heavy tech-tilt don't understand normal users at all. They fail to understand that they're an extreme minority in terms of product behavior. You can dig back a decade or whatever on HN, it's a non-stop…
botcoin did happen though. So it is not that unimaginable
There's at most a dozen big miners, three big pools and a hand full of exchanges.
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#240This is not surprising, but sad. Years ago, i was dragged (i was the only engineer in the local office) into a whitehouse (or maybe it was state department, i can't remember) sponsored working group on online sex trafficking. The non-profits dedicated to fighting this, while seemingly well-intentioned, were completely and totally unwilling to see any other perspective or try to find shared ground. It was scorched ear…
:%s/sex trafficking/mass shooting/g :%s/gun control laws/internet control laws/g
There can be various degrees of hysteria around both those topics, but the equivalency you seem to be suggesting is false, for me. The internet doesn't enable trafficking as directly as guns enable shootings.