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I know that there has been controversy dealing with Adrian Lamo for a long, long time, however; my sister was married to him for a short time and I know he had many mental health issues and demons that he's been dealing with his entire life. I know she loved him very much at one point and time and she is sad today because she knows how hard his life was dealing with his issues. I feel terrible for his parents, family…

Thanks for this insight, and blessings to your sister.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is possible to specifically name anyone who actually died because of the leaks. It's similar to lung cancer deaths caused by smoking cigarettes. No one has ever been able to specifically name someone who died from lung cancer caused by smoking. In every single case, it is possible that the named person is one of the many people each year who die from lung cancers caused by things such radon exposure,…

Your analogy is falsifiable. Perhaps you should look up Sharp v Stephen Guinery t/as Port Kembla Hotel and Port Kembla RSL Club , which found: In that case, in 2001, a jury in the Supreme Court of New South Wales decided in favour of a plaintiff who had brought a claim against her employer based on common law negligence and breach of an employer's statutory duty. The plaintiff had worked as a bartender at the Port Ke…

I was going to say that's just some dumb jury, but heck, even the text you're quoting says, "On the balance of probabilities."

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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This is somewhat a shock to me, and I’m curious to know what happened. Adrian and I became friends when we were both about 12. We met at 2600 meetings in the embarcadero in SF. We soon were buddies, going “trashing” downtown finding all kinds of crazy things corporate SF left out for trash: working DAT backup drives, 17” view sonics (prized at the time), blueprints for a bank (!), entire trash bags full of credit car…

Thanks for sharing your connection with Adrian. It was nice hearing some positive memories about him. I know he did what he did with Manning with much consternation but out of a moral necessity. It really did weigh on him.

I met Adrian in about 98 in SF and shared many of the same kinds of adventures with him. He shared a lot of his physical and electronic intrusions with me and he never did any harm or anything malicious. It was all simple exploration in the best hacker ethos. He'd usually inform the 'victim' taking nothing for his services except a Coke while he told them his story.

I'm also curious what happened, morbidly. I haven't heard from him at all in a few years. An unfortunate addition to the list of young, talented but troubled hackers I've known who've left us too soon. :(

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice story, the kind that makes HN worth it

I sadly can't believe anything I read on the internet and I view this with suspicion for some reason...

Why would someone spend time to make up a story like this and post it anonymously? The comment is interesting and well-written, and obviously took some effort to write. I find the specific descriptions of the author and the events to be quite convincing.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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For those who do not recognize his name as I did not: > Lamo first gained media attention for breaking into several high-profile computer networks, including those of The New York Times, Yahoo!, and Microsoft, culminating in his 2003 arrest.[7] > In 2010, Lamo indirectly reported U.S. soldier Chelsea Manning to the Army's Criminal Investigation Command,[8] claiming that Manning had leaked hundreds of thousands of sen…

I first heard of him from the initial version of his Wikipedia entry, and I wondered if he had written it himself (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adrian_Lamo&oldid...)

Wikipedia was different in those days. A few hours after it was posted, Larry Sanger himself added a comment to the end saying "Um, can we clean up the above puff job, please?"

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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So, I'm gonna lay it out here as I am having a bad day and don't feel like censoring myself. I'd known Adrian since 1998. He came to 2600 meetings in SF and was a fixture there. In that time, he generally didn't make any friends. While he was gay, he was also stalking a lady at the meetings, and being super creepy about it. Eventually, he left SF and was homeless. He got in trouble for hacking the NYT and making hims…

You met Adrian Lamo at 2600 meetings and wouldn't invite him to parties. Other people in the community were close friends with him and allowed him to stay in their homes for weeks or months. I don't know him really at all, but I think this is a poor way to sum anyone up.

I don't know the person in question. He might have been a great person overall, to the people around him or maybe he wasn't very pleasant, but that was it. I don't know. Certainly people tend to have widely different impressions other people.

What I do know, and what the world should have thought us in the last couple of years, is that when this isn't the case it is often hiding in plain sight under layers of denial. And that the only way to uncover those things is to be able to speak about people and their actions. So while I do believe in being respectful I am not sure that we have earned the luxury to be uncomfortable when someone has a negative opinion about someone else.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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post #30

here's a documentary featuring Adrian prominently. This is the best you'll see Adrian, because some time after this film he went on (or off?) his meds, betrayed Chelsea Manning and various other things shitty humans do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYN6JuQGGX0 Hackers Wanted.

Taking medicine and not taking medicine are both things shitty humans do, as is refusing to join a criminal conspiracy?
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