Google is a faint echo of the disruption promiced.
Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised
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Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google Fiber hit a lot of roadblocks along the way that slowed things down. You have the lawsuit from AT&T against local government in Louisville[0]. There was also a lot of arguments[1][2] around the country for Google trying to access utility poles to hang their wires. Incumbents tried their hardest to prevent Google from hanging new wires. Many of the laws in-place today make it difficult for new companies to hang…
Your analysis is backwards. There aren't special laws that "make it difficult for new companies to hang wires." The issue was not Google hanging its own wires, but Google contractors moving AT&T's wires in order to make space on the poles. Louisville passed special laws to enable one company to relocate another company's property on utility poles. I think those laws are a good idea, but its hard to blame AT&T for not…
"(Incidentally, a team of four guys with heavy equipment have spent the last three hours trenching fiber 50 feet through my tiny yard. That's the second visit, and there will be one more, and that's not counting running the fiber down the main road which required months of permitting and surveying...)"
Do you live northwest of Austin, where 18 inches below the surface there is about two feet of solid limestone?
Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your analysis is backwards. There aren't special laws that "make it difficult for new companies to hang wires." The issue was not Google hanging its own wires, but Google contractors moving AT&T's wires in order to make space on the poles. Louisville passed special laws to enable one company to relocate another company's property on utility poles. I think those laws are a good idea, but its hard to blame AT&T for not…
> but its hard to blame AT&T for not wanting Google contractors to touch its infrastructure Exactly -- AT&T thinks it's their infrastructure, but it's not. It's ours.
The real question is, who has to fix it when the Google contractors screw something up?
Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would wonder if the subsidies and tax breaks that have been given over to these companies by the government over the years would count towards the idea us having paid for it. There's always that scandal from decades ago that comes up from time-to-time.
The government can't just go and deem something it's property after the fact, even if "we paid for it".
It sure as hell can.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain_in_the_United_S...
Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised
#235This might be a bit off topic, but it seems folks still want to use the word "disenfranchised" in the wrong context.
To be disenfranchised, it means you have lost the political privilege to vote. It is not a synonym for "disillusioned".
Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would wonder if the subsidies and tax breaks that have been given over to these companies by the government over the years would count towards the idea us having paid for it. There's always that scandal from decades ago that comes up from time-to-time.
The government can't just go and deem something it's property after the fact, even if "we paid for it".
Actually it can. The government is the only thing that enforces the notion of property in the first place
Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised
#237As you can surmise by reading this article, the rise of the wireless ISPs (or WISPs) is not because the wireless technology is better or drastically cheaper. It's because in so many places, the incumbents are able to prevent you from building out fiber. They simply haven't developed the weapons to destroy the WISPs yet, but unless the political climate in states/cities changes, they will. It is tough for WISPs to com…
Speaking of latency: a well calibrated point to point wireless connection is less latency than fiber jumping a bunch of switches. Proof: finance industry's wide use of microwave towers. https://meanderful.blogspot.com/2017/05/lines-radios-and-cab... There was another set of articles describing microwave towers in Europe, quite fascinating. Not sure if this was the one: https://sniperinmahwah.wordpress.com/2014/09/22/…
Thanks for the links! They're really interesting.
For long paths where you need very low latency, microwave is the way to go. This is why the finance industry uses it.
But this article is about more consumer-level internet access, which is why I mentioned WISPs. A WISP will carry your data wirelessly from your building to a nearby point of presence, where it will then be carried over the normal (fiber-based) internet. For the short distance between your building and the POP, my understanding is fiber will provide much more consistent bandwidth and latency.
Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised
#238Google is a faint echo of the disruption promiced.
Disruption is a faint echo of the disruption promised.
Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised
#239As you can surmise by reading this article, the rise of the wireless ISPs (or WISPs) is not because the wireless technology is better or drastically cheaper. It's because in so many places, the incumbents are able to prevent you from building out fiber. They simply haven't developed the weapons to destroy the WISPs yet, but unless the political climate in states/cities changes, they will. It is tough for WISPs to com…
They simply haven't developed the weapons to destroy the WISPs yet, but unless the political climate in states/cities changes, they will. Basically, authoritarianism rears its ugly head in the US once again, across corporate, national, state, and local levels. The same general kind of gaming of the system which resulted in interstates dividing white from non-white neighborhoods is now maintaining the media status quo…
"...now wielded by the Far Left..."
What is my tribe accused of this time?
My peeps are trying to expand broadband, so I guess none of us got the memo.
Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fwiw, $140 is quite a lot. We shared what everyone was paying for Fios here at work. I'm on the upper end of $65 for 50/50 (no TV). The lowest we found was 1G for $40. the trick seems to be to cancel and sign up again for the new user deals.
He also mentioned that he gets a TV package. I believe gigabit is $70 a month stand alone from Verizon.
I'm paying that to Comcast for 25mbit. No competition here.