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How does ‘class-passing’ actually work?

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Post by aidenn0 »

dizzystar wrote: post #163
ambicapter wrote: post #138

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> As a real example, we often get articles on Hacker News that discusses the best way to hire, best way to land a job, best way to self-learn, and so on. It took me years to realize that these articles were all shaded in a heavy fog of bullshit, and it took me many years to realize that the posters who upvote and share these articles are not only aware of the heavy fog, but are able to read though the fog. If I was a…

Nearly every bit of advice you read on interviews and how to get a job never happens in the real world. You can imagine how scary it is to read all the super tough questions, going to the whiteboard, having to discuss passion projects, needing a solid github profile, knowing algorithms, data structures, strange math, and on and on. You start interviewing and you see that none of the above happens 99% of the time. You…

Every single interview I've been to has had at least one of those. None of them has had more than half though.

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Post by whataretensors »

ch4s3 wrote: post #205
whataretensors wrote: post #196

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tldr; class mobility has a muted standard deviation, likely on purpose. There are tons of intentional and unintentional barriers for class mobility. Here are the socially accepted ways that class mobility is rigged for developers specifically: * A royalty-free tech culture. Since successful software is often exponential we don't get the meat of the value we create at a job. This could be compensated for with stock, b…

Care to elaborate on how cryptocurrency is an alternative to engaging in the present economic arrangement?

You can still invest in early stage currencies or ICOs, unlike startups.

As a creator if you have an idea for a currency you can release it without permission, and if people like it they will give you money.

The alternatives are bootstrapping, which is exhausting and what I've done. Have rich friends - you likely won't if you are poor. Or get accepted to some investment signaling filter like YC where you get to run as fast as you can for months while uprooting your life.

Edit: It won't let me reply to you, but ya I think ICOs can be legit. See ETH, WTC, SNM. There are bad actors too, but at it's best it's a way to route investment capital to creators regardless of socio-economic condition or location. You are correct that you have to tie the value of the chain back to they success of the product somehow. One way would be to share dividends.

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Post by cryoshon »

staunch wrote: post #3

> In the UK, class consciousness is woven into the national identity. In America, however, people often like to pretend that a class system doesn’t really exist. But, of course, it does. This is the most insidious part. The media in the US has historically been 100% controlled by rich people, and all major media still is. The evil rich people figured out that if you start a gender and race war among the 99%, you can…

>The internet will almost certainly spawn a social movement to destroy the class system in the US

it's called socialism. it's been spawned already, and it's growing. people can thank bernie sanders for its major popularization, but he won't be around when the dream is complete-- if it ever is.

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Post by ryandrake »

dizzystar wrote: post #201
cryptoz wrote: post #84

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That all sounds so miserable. I think I'd rather stay middle class than deal with that stuff.

To my mind, watering and feeding your lawn so that it is nice and green and exactly 1 1/2" tall all year round is a solid middle-class indicator. I find it kind of strange to spend that time and money on doing something that has little to no productive value. Not throwing daggers or anything, but every strata has things that are a bit strange about them. Yes, I know that upper class does that too, unless you are in t…

I suppose it varies regionally. To me, merely owning a lawn is something reserved for the upper crust, let alone having the time to maintain one. The middle class lives in small apartments and rents houses (with roommates or extended family).

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Post by icebraining »

Hasz wrote: post #172
staunch wrote: post #3

> In the UK, class consciousness is woven into the national identity. In America, however, people often like to pretend that a class system doesn’t really exist. But, of course, it does. This is the most insidious part. The media in the US has historically been 100% controlled by rich people, and all major media still is. The evil rich people figured out that if you start a gender and race war among the 99%, you can…

"The Revolution Will Not Be Televised", anyone?

Still sounds great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwSRqaZGsPw

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Post by sk5t »

gadders wrote: post #68
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #11

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> It really is true that there are unspoken codes and mores to follow, and it was uncomfortable when I didn't Any examples spring to mind?

Being English is a minefield. Here's an old list but some of it still definitely applies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_and_non-U_English

"Home" seems quite a vulgar term, but "supper" for the evening repast--why, it smacks of the American West.

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Post by hiuaql »

JBlue42 wrote: post #184
dionidium wrote: post #164

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> "The struggle is huge, and I keep having to look inside myself to figure out what "my people" is supposed to mean." For me, the weirdest part is the way in which the upper-middle class people I now associate and work with talk about "my people" (i.e. the working-class folks I grew up with). They mythologize them as the noble, hard-working, salt of the earth, when in reality, they clearly don't like most of their ha…

This is a good point. We've been idealizing rural / commoner folk for a while. IIRC, French nobility in the 18th or 19th century had the habit of running out to the country and playacting as peasants for fun. Not to mention there's a glut of 'rural/blue collar porn', (Duck Dynasty, etc) or at least there was a few years back. Some of that maybe people watched condescendingly but there could also be the tendency of po…

Duck Dynasty's audience was not substantially less rural / blue collar than the cast.

There's a glut of "urban white collar porn": Nearly all mainstream television sitcoms and dramas.

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

dizzystar wrote: post #187
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #179

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>his article resonates with me on many levels. I went from below $10/hr This experience isn't exactly uncommon. Everyone who had a job during college in a state with a single digit minimum wage then got an entry level tech job in a high CoL area did this. That said, most people who do that don't suddenly find themselves among people who significantly higher up the social ladder when they do that which I think is what…

Yeah, that's what I mean. If your parents were already middle class, you aren't strictly broke earning that in the same sense as you parents were on welfare and you never stepped foot on a college campus.

The college kids who have jobs so they have more pocket money to spend on lifestyle stuff (i.e. beer) is exactly who I'm talking about when I say "most people who do that don't suddenly find themselves among people who significantly higher up the social ladder"

The college kids with work-study jobs in the kitchen, get financial aid, furnish their living spaces with office furniture the school discarded, and whatnot are the ones who move into a different social class when they enter the workforce.

I think we're agreeing here.

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Post by saget »

jstarfish wrote: post #180
ggg9990 wrote: post #26

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It’s more that the Internet can enable the kind of coordination that a mass movement to revoke power needs.

It can, but it doesn't. If anything it drives divisiveness on a scale we've never seen before. Before the internet it used to take 10-20 years to foment discord against a particular group. Now we have a new boogeyman every 18 months and it's always other plebes or pariahs-- never the ruling elite.

Martin Shkreli, Harvey Weinstein, Wall Street protests, and probably others that I forget were aided by the Internet. Hopefully it will become a bigger trend in the future.

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Post by dragonwriter »

zeveb wrote: post #229
dragonwriter wrote: post #150

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Intent is important, but if there is intent to inflict pain, either as a means or an ends, it is abuse. Now, it's true that there are further meaningful intent-based distinctions you can make within the broad category of abuse, but that's somewhat beside the point.

> if there is intent to inflict pain, either as a means or an ends, it is abuse. That doesn't sound correct to me. If a little get (well below the age of reason) reaches for the pretty red glowing burner atop the stove, you slap away his hand because the small pain of getting his hand slapped will serve to make a second attempt less likely, and the small pain is far less severe and more transient than the great and l…

> . If a little get (well below the age of reason) reaches for the pretty red glowing burner atop the stove, you slap away his hand because the small pain of getting his hand slapped will serve to make a second attempt less likely

No, you don't; if they are well below the age of reason, they are well below the age at which they will connect the hit with the reason for it.

That's why you don't let kids that young around a stove in the first place, and if they do get loose around one, you restrain and remove them. This may involve incidental pain, but not intentional, instrumental pain.

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