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Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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How is the trackpad on these? I still haven't seen a non-Apple laptop where the trackpad comes even close to the Macbook.

I have a dell at work, not the XPS, and the trackpad is such a piece of shit. It even does this weird thing where it detects touches when your finger hovers over the thing.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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I have previous generation XPS 13 Developer Edition with hi-res touch screen. I chose the touch screen mainly because of the high resolution it provides however while using it I realized that touch screen can be quite useful sometimes. My best use case is reading long documents while commuting by train with the laptop in my lap. I find swiping with my thumb much more convenient than scrolling or pressing up/down keys…

Try pressing space (or page down on keyboards with pg down).

Spacebar/pgdwn is a harsh context break for me. There's no continuity like a book or touch screen

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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System76, specifically the Galago Pro. I want it because Linux runs well on it, it has 8th gen i7, 16gb ram, and a 4k non touch screen. But only US layouts. European, specifically scandinavian and UK layouts, have 1 additional button, so labels cannot fix it either

I'll be honest, I'm still confused why the European 16GB non-touch xps13 configuration doesn't work for you... Edit: ohhhh! You want non-touch but 4k. Now I see! But if it's paying for unwanted touch functionality vs a US keyboard layout (not to mention the vastly inferior design and size) then I know what I'm picking.

I just mention System76 because they have exactly what I want, but I have no way of being able to use it. I'm kind of bitter about it.

But yeah I'm getting sold more and more on the touch screen, honestly. I think gestures and such have the potential to be neat, and could optimize my workflow.

Being able to move and resize windowed stuff in i3, something I have bound to mouse keys at the moment, would be really neat with a touch screen. Makes the desktop seem tactile and real. It is a pain to move them with key presses, so I usually move my hand to the mouse anyhow.

Gestures, like some tap or something to move a window out of the scratchpad, and back to tiling mode or whatever. Neat. Though the keyboard combination I use now would probably be faster.

In addition, as Someone1234 pointed out, native touch events would be really nice to have when doing web dev. I for one constantly use the Chrome mobile emulator. Native would be better.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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I regret buying the 9560. Changed the screen under warranty 4 times and it either had a pink tint (twice), uneven backlight or backlight bleed. In the end I was just tired and decided to keep it as it is. My girlfriend got a MBP recently. This is when I realized how spending $2100 on XPS was not very smart.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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post #210

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I'll be honest, I'm still confused why the European 16GB non-touch xps13 configuration doesn't work for you... Edit: ohhhh! You want non-touch but 4k. Now I see! But if it's paying for unwanted touch functionality vs a US keyboard layout (not to mention the vastly inferior design and size) then I know what I'm picking.

I think his primary goal is to mention system76 much as possible while pouring scorn on dell

Lol, scorn, that's a big word. I dislike System76 because they refuse to support European layouts. US only. I am very bitter about it.

I dislike most laptop manufacturers of this day, because they all either:

* Only make touch-screens in 4K

* Don't let you upgrade your RAM.

* Only sell with Windows bundled. Not paying for Windows, no thanks

Dell satisfied only one of those criteria. They are very high in my book. In fact, I am using one of their 4K monitors right now.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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post #168

The hardware is lovely but the available configurations make me sad. For compiling the projects I work on, I need an i7 and 16 GB of memory. But this configuration only comes with the touchscreen, which is not only useless but destroys battery life, has a far inferior viewing angle, and adds an obscene amount to the cost. Amusingly, the config that I want is available, but not to me, because I'm not in Europe. I woul…

Re: touch. I just bought an XPS15 with 16GB for 1900AUD. It has touch, which I don't use. The viewing angle is wonderful, basically 360 degrees with no degredation and in this respect is no different to my 2013 Macbook Pro. AFAIK from reading other people's setups (see external resources at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Dell_XPS_15_9560 ) you can disable touch to save power. Re: cost. Macbook Pro in similar power rang…

Thanks for the advice, glad to hear dissent about the viewing angle (I've only seen the touchscreen in person once, and maybe the lighting was just bad in that instance). But the cost is still a sticking point, because for me this isn't competing with a Macbook Pro; it's competing with the older refurbished laptop from an arbitrary manufacturer that I got for $0 from a friend and that I currently use solely for Linux dev. I don't have a lot of income to dedicate to Linux development, so if I'm going to upgrade at all it has to be a compelling proposition from all angles (and it occurs to me that at this point I might as well wait until Ubuntu 18.04 LTS arrives anyway).

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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> I mean, who uses touch screens for development? Web developers who want to test using real touch input events rather than the quirky emulation found in a few browsers. If you're developing for touch, in particular things like drag & drop, you want a real device. Even if you have an iPad or smartphone test device too, it is nice to have that ability on your main development machine rather than jumping around.

eh? You're not running Android on iOS on the thing. It's still emulation (or "virtualized" environment), and it's still largely going to be crap.

seems to me that a touch screen laptop is a real touch device with browsers emitting (afaik) the same real touch events. as such it would seem to be better for tuning behavior compared to a laptop without real touch events. (of course it's best to have actual devices around for testing.)

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Try pressing space (or page down on keyboards with pg down).

I can understand the OP's thinking, although I have Lenovo's Yoga 2 Pro. With my laptop in my lap, I typically have to be leaning back to comfortably use the keyboard. Sitting up or slightly leaning forward, it's more comfortable to grasp and scroll with the screen itself, maybe bent a little further back than typical usage. It's a more comfortable resting position. Although sometimes I just flip my yoga into a table…

Many times touch is more convenient than the trackpad especially when I am feeling lazy. I am reading this thread on a Y2P, lying on my side, laptop on the bed, one hand supporting my head and the other scrolling the page on the screen. Much easier than any other method.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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I really wanted an XPS 13 with a 3840x2160 screen. Now that it's available I've been turned off by the meager performance gains for casual gaming on an integrated Intel GPU. And then there's Meltdown/Spectre.

AMD isn't safe either but I'm looking at the new HP Envy x360 15" with Ryzen inside.

Someday, maybe - RISC-V and less disappointments.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

#240
Why do the euro models feature completely different (and arguably better) configurations?

I have one of these from a couple generations back and absolutely love it. My only regret is getting the high end model with the touch screen and high-res screen. I've heard 1080p has better battery life and I've spent more time I'm proud to admit dealing with the hell of configuring apps to not look like garbage on a high-res screen.

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