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Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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Google is definitely pushing location services hard.

I was happy to learn it's possible to disable Google Now yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15743055

Another option besides an iPhone is to replace Google Play Services: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15617615 (supported devices: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/)

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

#232

This could trigger a new line of wearables, one with a Faraday Cage sewn right in. Right pocket is open, left pocket is a cage ;)

hmm.. found a kickstarter from 2014

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zoltancsaki/1984-stealt...

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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Can you post a link to close my appleID? Yes, you can close a Google/ Microsoft account with few clicks

Did you try googling "delete apple id"? It's pretty straightforward. Given that, what point are you trying to make?

There is a way to delete your data from Google or ms. Not Apple. BTW, there is no way to delete apple Id. Seriously try doing it. You cannot.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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Can you post a link to close my appleID? Yes, you can close a Google/ Microsoft account with few clicks

It should be available, at least in the EU, by May, if it isn’t already. I think it is a requirement of GDPR.

For the moment not possible.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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The trouble is that the evidence is basically "Apple says they don't". Because the source code is not open, we can't know for sure one way or the other.

No the source code won't help you. If you want to hide sth. you can hide it ;) http://wiki.c2.com/?TheKenThompsonHack

Oh come on. For that to work Apple would have to become a major backer of a compiler, and even then provide major libraries that link to everything. And possibly even invent its own variant of C. What are the chances of that?

Oh. Well. I'll just be hiding in this corner, then.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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Sophistry in the sense that according to any reasonable idea of privacy, meeting someone in public, so that they know where you are, your name and your face, is distinctly different from a private company knowing exactly where you are at all moments. Imagine if it came out that a company had hired private investigators to follow you around, and collected a list of every location you visited. You tell someone else, an…

> a private company knowing exactly where you are at all moments Someone else commented that this has already been the case for ... at least a decade, for basically everyone (in the U.S.) – the cell phone carriers are those private companies. And there is substantial evidence that they're even less trustworthy than Google.

So Google gets a free pass for collecting information the user explicitly opted not to provide because another company does it too?

I hope you realize how flawed that line of logic is.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

#237

Years ago, I remember CyanogenMod advertising that their "Privacy Guard" feature had something like a data spoof feature, where if an app surreptitiously requested your location or info, the guard would feed it a dummy number, garbage location, etc. I've dug around and it seems like this no longer exists, if it ever did. Privacy Guard now seems to just allow granular controls on what the apps are allowed to request.…

I was excited when I first heard XPrivacy and tried to use it from 2015-2016.

It worked as advertised but boy was it a hassle. I had a template XPrivacy setting which constantly broke app. It was too common to find apps requiring tons of permissions than they need and had to resort toggling the permission to see which work.

I got fed up and switched to iPhone late last year.

With iPhone, I can at least control which data to share with the app. With Android, I don't have control with either app or google.

I feel relieved and have been recommending iPhone to family and friends if possible.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

#238

If you're concerned about this level of location tracking, don't carry a cell phone at all. Keeping track of which cell tower your phone is closest to is fundamental to cellular technology. You can't make or receive calls unless Verizon, T-Mobile, or whichever carrier you have knows which cell to communicate with you through. Regardless of whether Google is tracking this, your carrier certainly is, and with a warrant…

Sure. And while we're at it, since Google is more secure than the IRS, let's just give them all your tax data too! /s

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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Only governments can tame this beast now, way too big and too rich for any startup. I noticed several chrome instances running on "Task manager" almost all the time. Used Chrome maybe months ago. So I uninstalled. Who knows what they were doing, collecting. I trust them as much as I (would) trust a hustler on the old 42nd street

yeah. I decided to avoid chrome at all costs when noticed that when you install chrome and have firefox already installed , chrome automatically without user’s acknowledgement installs some mysterious google plugin which does not sure what. To verify it , I reproduced same scenario again and plugin was installed again. After that I uninstalled chrome and avoid google products as much as possible.

This is interesting. Could you share more information about your setup: What operating system you use, Order of browser installation, and the name/id of the plugin would be a good start.

It would be even greater if you could upload a zip archive of the plugin.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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It's amazing to me how many comments here excuse Google's behavior by offering the impractical "solution" of just not using a smartphone (a false dilemma) when the obvious answer is to get an iPhone. That's the advice of pretty much everyone in the infosec field and I'm sure some of them will attest to that in this thread.

Did Apple stop collecting that data? Last I heard, you had to opt out of it.

http://blog.chron.com/techblog/2013/10/your-iphone-knows-whe...

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