Now watch as it never gets excavated. I've yet to see them break open the hidden door they found during some thermal scans recently. Isn't there also known void under the sphinx that was mapped with ground penetrating radar? They just seem to sit on these finds and do nothing.
'Big Void' Identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza
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Re: 'Big Void' Identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza
#232The "big void" in the pyramids is very symbolic of the false deities of the Egyptians. Those worthless voids lead to slavery, suffering, and death. Its quite fitting the secular extremists in the US gov use the "big void" pyramid on their seal while they're forcibly freeing us from Elohim's wholesome and life giving ways. Secular = a big void of Elohim. The ancient Egyptians were not genius, not creative, not illumin…
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems that peoples through the ages have respected the pyramids enough to leave them mostly intact and undisturbed, giving us the unique heritage that we have today. I can't help but contrast this with the British explorers who just started blowing through it with explosives and pulling stuff out wholesale.
I'm aware that they were subjected to grave robbing. That seems like more low-level thieving than actual organized pillaging though, which required destroying structure to pull off, as evidenced by the fact that the most important artifacts, including the riches of the burial chamber and the sarcophagus itself, were still there until modern times.
I think you'll find the sarcophagus is there because it is too large to be stolen. As I recall, we've never even found human remains in the pyramids themselves.
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
One line of thought I was going down recently was information encoded by printing very specific and precise three-dimensional "monoliths" that display information based on postion of the nearest star (which I assume would still be Sol, and would still be around in this distant future). To give an illustration of what I am trying to describe, I am imagine something like the cover of GEB ( https://images.gr-assets.com/…
Nice idea for short term (galacticly) but as far as I know the orbits of the solar system (even the 'stable' ones[1]) are unpredictable (chaotic) to a certain degree over long timescales. Assuming sol doesn't screw us over and the output behaves as we expect. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stability_of_the_Solar_System
True. I suppose my point is that I belive that a _physical_ artifact is the only chance at this working. What if the culture that discovers it is in a "dark age" and doesn't even have the electricity to power these supposed future proof digital archives.
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#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
It looks like it disproves it. The theory speculates on the presence of peremiter ascending pathways behind the exterior walls - if they do exist I’m guessing they would have shown in the scans.
The scans focused on a particular area. The technology works by placing 'plates' in desired location and collecting the particles that hit those plates. They could only place plates inside the pyramid where they had access, and collect from particular (sic) paths. They aimed for a best-guess area previously unknown but speculated upon. I assume they will repeat the experiment wherever possible to gather more data in…
That's what I'm saying - if the scans have caught the large void (by being placed in the grand gallery) and the small void (by being placed likely in the entrance hallway leading to the gallery) then they are at the proper location to capture any pathways above them. But since no pathways were detected - then the theory is likely incorrect. But perhaps the location/shape of the void isn't as accurate as depicted.
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#236Re: 'Big Void' Identified in Khufu's Great Pyramid at Giza
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah but I am pretty worried about us fucking it up these days.
People have been complaining about the imminent collapse of society for pretty much all of recorded history. We're not special.
A lot of them were right. We live on the bones of numerous dead civilisations. You really don't want to have a collapse happen in your lifetime.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
Imagine if they find an opened chamber, and that it contains artefacts that can be carbon-dated, and they turn out to be thousands of years older than conventional Egyptology expects. (I expect there will be artefacts, and I expect their dates will coincide with what we already expect, but I’m always holding out for ”new science” that needs to be explained.)
If they find anything - they will hide it and not tell anyone.
Who and why?
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the "very long drill bit" part that's problematic. They're trying to explore with minimal to no damage to the original structure.
Doesnt seem like a tiny hole is enough to cause loss of structural integrity or for even anyone to notice. Preservation is important but thinking that it extends to ever centimeter of every weathered brick is quite silly.
From what I understand, the problem is more political than archaeological. I'm sure the researchers are going all they can as fast as they can within the political, legal, and resource constraints there.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are missing my point (which I inadvertently mangled by writing ”opened chamber” in lieu of ”unopened chamber"): the whole Great Pyramid is entirely structural and there have never been artefacts found within it that can be said to have been present at the time of building and that could be definitively carbon-dated. A single sigil of dubious origin on ancient plaster repair-work in the load-baring spaces above th…
Ah, ok, so your point was that we really don't know for sure that the pyramids (or, at least, the Kufu one) is as old as we believe, because the dating that has been done is somewhat dubious, and you are hoping it is much older? My point doesn't really go against this, just that it may be more practical to look at what we already have access to, but is largely not translated. Also, since we have dated many other Egyp…
My point is subtle. We definitely know when the ancient Egyptian civilisation existed, and that has been definitely dated by many coherent methods: carbon dating of artefacts at other sites, historical record, and archeological layers. The issue (which I am perfectly aware merely articulating makes me sound like a kook, but hear me out and know beforehand that I am very skeptical about the likelihood of what I am stating might actually be true) is that we have not got definitive links between the pyramids and the Ancient Egyptian civilisation as we construe it. In most ancient Egyptian texts the pyramids are referred to as being already ancient but claimed to be of their own origin, but in other civilisations (e.g., the ancient Chinese and their claim of the “Yellow Emperor” et al) we have found that civilisations’ own accounts about their origins and claims to being the artificers of grand monuments is not always reliable. What if the pyramids actually predated the ancient Egyptians by millennia, and the ancient Egyptians merely arose later around them, in the same area, and claimed them as their own? There is much pseudoscience in this regard, but certain highly controversial geological observations about the weathering of the Sphinx in particular are particularly telling (in my opinion): it would seem that the prevailing opinion of geologists is that the weathering exhibited on the body of the Sphinx is the product of tens of millennia of water erosion, which is at odds with archeologists’ prevailing opinion is that the erosion “must be” the result of mere millennia of sand erosion, because “we already know” that the Sphinx was built “by the Ancient Egyptians, mere thousands of years before C.E.”. The reasoning is inherently circular, and enrages me. I would very much like to have original artefacts demonstrably linked with the epoch of construction from inside the Pyramids definitely carbon-dated so that this circularity can be once and for all escaped-from. In the end, I fully expect that such independent verification would lead to confirmation that the Pyramids and the Sphinx do indeed date from the early period of the Old Kingdom... but proof would be delightful, and besides, we do other kinds of science (such as running the LHC) in hopes of seeing disagreement with prevailing theories... wouldn't it be amazingly exciting if it turned out that this were not the case? No extraterrestrials... just much deeper human history than we have hitherto fathomed.