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Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content
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#232Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you show up to a rally carrying a Nazi flag, I'll unapologetically call you a Nazi Maybe I need to get out more, but I've never seen a person carrying a Nazi flag, nor have I seen an actual person with any swastika gear; other than a Jew who had a Buddhist painting with a row of Swastikas. I looked at the flag in Charlottesville & it looked quite new (still had creases). Also the man carrying the flag looked not…
> Also the man carrying the flag looked nothing like your typical Neo-Nazi. He was literally carrying a Nazi flag. That looks exactly like a Neo-Nazi. > Is this similar to how Antifa attacks supporters of the evil Yamika wearing "Nazi" Ben Shapiro in Berkeley? I can't speak for anyone but myself. I never apply that N-word to someone I merely disagree with. I reserve it for people who literally parade around in public…
> He was literally carrying a Nazi flag.
It's possible that he was a paid actor. It's not unheard of. Seeing people's inability to address this possibility proves it would be an effective tactic. IMO, he looks more like he works for the FBI than a Neo-Nazi, but YMMV.
> That there are people willing and comfortable doing this makes me sad.
I feel sad for those people as well. I have not met any in my life, but from watching documentaries, it seems like many of them have issues. Maybe I'm missing a large percentage of the population being closet Nazis, but somehow I don't think so. You would think they would come out of the closet by now, as many self-professed Communists do. I have not heard of a single self-professed Nazi come out of the closet lately. This whole Nazi thing smells like a hoax to me.
Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is Equality an ideology? Isn't it basic human decency?
Lots of people disagree on the exact type of equality humanity should be aiming for.
> Lots of people disagree on the exact type of equality humanity should be aiming for.
It's a complicated domain. There are other measures of humanity, such as Freedom, Liberty, & Incentives for Fitness (i.e. Morality).
The root question is do the ends justify the means?
Do you want Equality of outcome so much that you are willing to adopt Fascism to achieve those aims? Even then, you won't have Equality. As in Animal Farm...
"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others"
The only way we can possibly achieve Equality is through death, & even then, the dead are unequally remembered.
Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content
#235https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/78p7bz/update_on_s...
Though Nazis have taken over the conversation, they did ban a bunch of fetish subreddits too.
Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I go there and talk to the White Nationalists. They are pretty much Nazis. Nazi is a term loosely used today. Actual 3rd Reich Nazis commandeered by America & the Soviet Union after WW2. Wernher von Braun was a committed Nazi & was allegedly a willing participate in WW2 war crimes. See Operation Paperclip for more info. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Operation_Paperclip > They are scared and powerless, looking for mea…
> since Identity Politics has not been kind toward white people & the majority of white people think they are discriminated against That's true... before Identity Politics, white people had most of the money and power and authority in this country. But now thanks to Identity Politics, white people have only... well, most of the money and power and authority in this country. Huh.
White people can practice Identity Politics as well. The ultimate expression of Identity Politics is genocide. It has happened many times & is still happening in some parts of the world.
I hope that you can see that this is not a road that we want to go down.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Why do you want to give ignorant idiots a platform to spread their ignorant idiocy to other ignorant idiots" Because the only way I can guarantee that "my side" can say whatever it wants, is to guarantee that all sides can say whatever they want. We have, over many millennia reached a point where tolerance is considered a pretty high virtue - we believe that even if we don't agree with someone, we can live and work…
> guarantee that all sides can say whatever they want The thing is - the Nazis can say whatever they want. No-one is obliged to give them a platform to do that. Which means you actually want to modify it to > guarantee that all sides can say whatever they want [and be heard] Which is an entirely different kettle of fish and something we don't have currently (and never will, really, whilst there is an imbalance in mon…
I'm not saying anyone is obliged to give them a platform. I'm saying that maybe we, as a society, shouldn't be so quick to call for bans of certain views, or for using our power as consumers to pressure companies to remove such things. It starts with Nazis, and ends with e.g. people on HN saying that Twitter should censor the president. Which at the very least, shows that there is some kind of slippery slope here.
That said, I'm completely sympathetic to companies who choose to kick people off - I'd probably do the same in their shoes! I'm not saying I have a solution for any of these problems - I'm just saying why I find it difficult to so easily throw out the idea of "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it".
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'll tell you why. Nobody who isn't an ISIS member has ever been called an ISIS member. I do seem to recall a certain presidential candidate calling Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama founders of ISIS... Painting all Muslim or even brown people as ISIS or terrorists is a pretty common rhetorical tactic of the right.
> I do seem to recall a certain presidential candidate calling Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama founders of ISIS... The clear and obvious intent of that sentence was to imply their policies allowed ISIS to exist, and that they would not exist had the power vacuum not been created. This new literal reading of everything is just another part of the decline of our political discourse.
When Hugh Hewitt suggested that Trump only meant it that way, Trump objected: "No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."
Trump then explicitly disagreed with that "clear and obvious intent" re a power vacuum:
HH: I don’t. I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn’t create ISIS. That’s what I would say.
DT: Well, I disagree.
http://www.hughhewitt.com/donald-trump-makes-return-visit/#m...
Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lots of people disagree on the exact type of equality humanity should be aiming for.
> Lots of people disagree on the exact type of equality humanity should be aiming for. It's a complicated domain. There are other measures of humanity, such as Freedom, Liberty, & Incentives for Fitness (i.e. Morality). The root question is do the ends justify the means? Do you want Equality of outcome so much that you are willing to adopt Fascism to achieve those aims? Even then, you won't have Equality. As in Anima…
re: measures of humanity;
I meant humanity as in the species, not as a quality.
>The root question is do the ends justify the means?
I do not believe the ends will ever justify the means, but that is just my opinion on the matter.
>Do you want Equality of outcome so much that you are willing to adopt Fascism to achieve those aims?
I'm personally satisfied with equality of chance such that everyone has an equal chance of doing what they want but are not guaranteed to succeed either.
Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Communities developing their own language and shared understanding is nothing new. Yes, sometimes racist things are said, but are frequently downvoted or pushed back on. Unless, of course, if you considering being, say, anti-Islam as "racist". The most common thing I see is that T_D users accept all races and immigrants, but only if they conform to western ideals(say, by not killing gay people or stoning women) and a…
Would you say being "anti-Jewish" is racist or bigoted?
I think either word could work