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Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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I uploaded full seasons of a very old 90s cartoon and my account is disabled. I cannot even purchase YouTube TV to try it out. Of course, reaching out to support is moot - their RoboSupport sucks. I will never purchase a Google product if I can help it and will steer clear of them in any team setting where I can affect the decision.

Um, you realise you uploaded a bunch of (presumedly) copyrighted material to a public video sharing site? That would normally raise a bunch of red flags. If you're stuck, there are dedicated support channels to actually talk to people - or feel free to reach out to me (my non-work email is in my profile.)

> That would normally raise a bunch of red flags.

This comment is a lot more funny now that I'm finally reading "Little Brother" by Cory Doctorow:

http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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I think a major issue is what happens if Google locks your account for some reason. There have been instances in the past where Google has locked the account of a user for some TOS violations. http://m.gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/google-pixel-reseller... http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/1/jordan-b-peters... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-21/one-statistics-prof... Given that Google has a propensity…

I'd consider buying one, but first thing I'd do is wipe it and install a regular Linux.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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Thanks for bringing that up. However, te truth is often a bit more nuanced (although it doesn't make for as good headlines). Dissecting your three examples. In the first case, (and based on their own statements) those people were buying up phones by the hundreds, shipping them to a single physical address and then scalping over the internet. It's basically fraud. So yes, they probably got picked up by an automated al…

"In the first case, (and based on their own statements) those people were buying up phones by the hundreds, shipping them to a single physical address and then scalping over the internet. It's basically fraud. So yes, they probably got picked up by an automated algorithm that looks for hijacking/CC fraud or bot-nets." No, it's not "basically fraud". Yes, it violates Google's terms, and banning the customers from usin…

Thanks for bringing that up.

I suspect you and I are talking about two different things however.

I'm using fraud as an ordinary layman would use it - that is - deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

In this case, I think most people would agree that spawning up multiple dummy accounts (e.g. john001@gmail.com, john002@gmail.com, john003@gmail.com) and then using them to get around ordering restrictions is definitely deceptive. (These account names are obviously illustrative).

And in terms of what's a "reasonable" response, that's above my paygrade. All I can comment on is the public statements that those people made around the time, and around their interactions with Google and their interpretation of them.

However, are you a legal practitioner? If so, then perhaps you are using the term in the other sense? Also, if you're willing to comment IAAL, that would be very interesting.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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Do you mean that people aren't concerned, or shouldn't be concerned?

Both. I don't think anyone (reasonable) should be concerned and I think most people, developer or not, are not concerned. This is just yet another example of this vocal minority on HN that regularly talks shit about every Google hardware product, where the argument against this specific product actually comes down to a larger argument against Google and how much access and gatekeeping they have with regards to your c…

> You can still use it in incognito mode, albeit without Android apps and such.

Actually, under "tech specs" on the product page, it says a Google account is required.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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I think a major issue is what happens if Google locks your account for some reason. There have been instances in the past where Google has locked the account of a user for some TOS violations. http://m.gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/google-pixel-reseller... http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/1/jordan-b-peters... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-21/one-statistics-prof... Given that Google has a propensity…

I uploaded full seasons of a very old 90s cartoon and my account is disabled. I cannot even purchase YouTube TV to try it out. Of course, reaching out to support is moot - their RoboSupport sucks. I will never purchase a Google product if I can help it and will steer clear of them in any team setting where I can affect the decision.

IMO it should be illegal to bundle TOS contracts to a single login like this.

There is an economic incentive in terms of saved resources to bundle multiple services in a single account like this but it harms consumers to get cutoff from your entire digital life because of some minor infraction.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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> You violated the law and their (rather reasonable in this case) terms of service and are shocked to find they'd rather not do business with you? When I worked in the Intelligence Community I had to go through multiple FBI investigations and polygraphs. Every single one of them asked me about laws I may have violated in the past. One of the agents even said (paraphrased, of course) "Maybe you downloaded some movies?…

> One of the agents even said (paraphrased, of course) "Maybe you downloaded some movies? What's the correct answer?

The correct answer is to tell the truth. The point of the security clearance process is to determine what somebody might be able to hold against you (i.e. to blackmail you into giving up confidential information)

If you told your interviewer that yes, you have downloaded some pirated movies, then if somebody calls you up saying "hey, i'll tell your boss you're a movie pirate if you don't tell me X" you'll feel confident shutting them down.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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As a fan of my Chromebook Plus ... I'm kinda lost on what more you do at that price / performance other than being able to multitask a few more apps and tabs. It's not like there is much in the way of high performance demanding applications on ChromeOS.

Either these apps are already predicted to arrive or google will make sure they do. I can't see why Google would want people to do computing on their own machines though. This looks a lot like an attempt to grab some would be MacBook buyers that are unhappy with the latest models.

"Either these apps are already predicted to arrive or google will make sure they do."

This argument could have been made when they released the 2013 Chromebook Pixel for $1,300, yet here we are.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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> You violated the law and their (rather reasonable in this case) terms of service and are shocked to find they'd rather not do business with you? When I worked in the Intelligence Community I had to go through multiple FBI investigations and polygraphs. Every single one of them asked me about laws I may have violated in the past. One of the agents even said (paraphrased, of course) "Maybe you downloaded some movies?…

> One of the agents even said (paraphrased, of course) "Maybe you downloaded some movies? What's the correct answer?

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Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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Previously everything of mine went through Google. Email, phone, phone number, search, etc. I've migrated everything away (except Google Voice) for this very reason. My life would have came to a grinding halt if they banned me, and I couldn't even email them about it.

What was your gmail alternative? I tried to switch everything to Lavabit, but then a month later the Snowden thing happened...that didn't last (and I'm still out all that money)

I use Fastmail, personally.

Re: Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook

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I think a major issue is what happens if Google locks your account for some reason. There have been instances in the past where Google has locked the account of a user for some TOS violations. http://m.gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/google-pixel-reseller... http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/1/jordan-b-peters... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-21/one-statistics-prof... Given that Google has a propensity…

Not a concern for 99.999% of people, developer or not.

So, with 1b monthly active Gmail users as of 2016, that's just a million users should be concerned?
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