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Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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post #54

If I wanted to create an alternative to YouTube with a conservative bent what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down? What if the content is just generally in "bad taste" and not overtly Neo-Nazi, will CF feel the need to play "Content Cop" or are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

Well start by not saying they support your cause.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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post #54

If I wanted to create an alternative to YouTube with a conservative bent what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down? What if the content is just generally in "bad taste" and not overtly Neo-Nazi, will CF feel the need to play "Content Cop" or are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

I know you guys took major issue with the Cloudlfare takedown of DailyStormer but try to look at the big picture. Mankind has never had a tool as powerful as the internet. The advent of the printing press played a key role in the lead up to the Salem Witch Trials. How big a role the internet played in the mess we find ourselves in today as a country, that's up to future historians to argue, but make no mistake the im…

> Is loss of human life an acceptable cost for free speech?

lots of people would say yes.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mankind has never had a tool as powerful as the internet. The advent of the printing press played a key role in the lead up to the Salem Witch Trials. Name one person harmed by the site? If you have ever seen a page of DailyStormer, you'd either laugh or go away. No one has ever killed anyone after reading a few paragraphs on that site. Putting in the argument of "Is loss of human life an acceptable cost for free s…

But clearly when a huge crowd of Antifas are overwhelming and attacking a relative small crowd of stupid nazis, with bats, and one guy try to make it out of there before his car is smashed to bits (with the obvious tragic accident waiting to happen)... Clearly it’s the nazis who are out of control and we need to take down their websites. Freedom of speech be damned! Seriously. This was a harmless, stupid, non-violent…

> Edit: not exactly expecting upvotes for this post, but this thread clearly needs some balance.

It doesn't. Seriously, you're making excuses for a murderous white supremacist asshole.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

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post #223
post #130

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There's a difference between Stormfront, a neo-nazi site, and "a conservative bent"

There is an increasing (and worrying) trend among liberals to call racist or misogynist anyone who doesn't demonstrate enthusiasm for the cause of the day. Concerns about being censored when accused of racism isn't exactly irrational paranoia. A recent example of what appears to be a moderate, democrat voting professor experiencing it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4546704/Professor-ca...

> There is an increasing (and worrying) trend

No there isn't. That's like saying there is an increased trend among conservatives in general towards being Nazis.

There is an increase in the activity of the lunatic fringes on both sides. Ranging from hardcore tea party people to "OMG white people are the worst" morons all the way to antifa and neo-nazis.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#235
post #92

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It depends on the mood of their CEO.

I think this is rediculius. If they took down child porn, would you also have an issue with this? What about a phishing site hosting malware and capturing passwords for the Russian mafia? It seems clear to me you can’t be 100% agnostic to your content. There is a huge gap between “conservative bent” and those trying to actively incite violence in the name of Hitler. And that they’ve only removed ONE such site across…

It's pretty much paraphrasing what the CEO said about why they stopped providing services to the daily stormer.

Cloudflare can't be trusted anymore. If they want to say they have actual standards and rules that operate on (and shut down nazi sites based on those rules) that's fine.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#236
post #28

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What is the turnaround time for DNS to propogate on all of those registrars? Are you forced into waiting for TTL's to expire? I may be wrong but I think eugeneionesco is referencing instant DNS changes which come as a benefit of using Cloudflare and other large DNS management companies. I've never personally seen a registrar offer anything like that.

Almost instant DNS change is something that I kinda take for granted. Surprising that's so rare...

are you one of those people running DNS with TTL measured in tens to hundreds of seconds?

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#237

CloudFlare is entering a very crowded space. With YouTube and Facebook owning an overwhelming majority of video hosting market, what’s left is shared between Brightcove, The Platform, Ooyala, Bitmovin, Vimeo, Vidyard, Wistia and a whole ton of smaller players and in-house solutions (ffmpeg -> _any cdn_ -> video.js). Surely, this piece of the pie is not as big as many had hoped for, but there’s definitely more than a…

Out of interest: why is a JS player required for video? Is it just to make more browsers compatible, the video more hackable for annotations/ads, or is there something else? Edit: And a related question: would Cloudflare Stream work without the JS player using a regular video-tag?

It is required for adaptive bitrate streaming in browsers that do not support HLS (all browsers except Safari and Chrome on Android only).

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#238

CloudFlare is entering a very crowded space. With YouTube and Facebook owning an overwhelming majority of video hosting market, what’s left is shared between Brightcove, The Platform, Ooyala, Bitmovin, Vimeo, Vidyard, Wistia and a whole ton of smaller players and in-house solutions (ffmpeg -> _any cdn_ -> video.js). Surely, this piece of the pie is not as big as many had hoped for, but there’s definitely more than a…

I'm pondering using standard CDNs for serving bandwidth intensive payloads, but I have some doubts whether this is a right technical decision. I did not find any general purpose CDN that would explicitly encourage the use of their product for large files nor a CDN that would disclose any information how large payloads are handled by their infrastructure. The primary use case for CDN is latency reduction for serving s…

Most CDNs started by offering video, not necessarily latency reduction but a ton of bandwidth. Many of them allow you to upload videos directly.

Check out cachefly.com for instance.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#239
post #54

If I wanted to create an alternative to YouTube with a conservative bent what are the chances Cloudflare will wake up one morning and shut me down? What if the content is just generally in "bad taste" and not overtly Neo-Nazi, will CF feel the need to play "Content Cop" or are they willing to abide by their role as utility?

I know you guys took major issue with the Cloudlfare takedown of DailyStormer but try to look at the big picture. Mankind has never had a tool as powerful as the internet. The advent of the printing press played a key role in the lead up to the Salem Witch Trials. How big a role the internet played in the mess we find ourselves in today as a country, that's up to future historians to argue, but make no mistake the im…

> Is loss of human life an acceptable cost for free speech?

Yes, this decision has already been made. Freedom (of speech and more) is fought for and won through struggle and sacrifice. We have already lost much human life to defend these rights and continue to do so.

Bad actions will be dealt with the appropriate consequences, as they always have, but that does not mean we should start limiting rights. This is the foundation of the justice system and society itself.

Re: Cloudflare Stream – Combines video encoding, global delivery, and player

#240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is rediculius. If they took down child porn, would you also have an issue with this? What about a phishing site hosting malware and capturing passwords for the Russian mafia? It seems clear to me you can’t be 100% agnostic to your content. There is a huge gap between “conservative bent” and those trying to actively incite violence in the name of Hitler. And that they’ve only removed ONE such site across…

If you bothered to Google before posting, you'd see more than a single data point. Voat was targeting with a letter writing campaign saying they were a child porn host when they weren't. All the liberals said "if you don't like Reddit, make your own." So someone did. And then liberals DDoS'd it into the ground and had any ISP that dared host them, filled with DMCA and child porn notifications. Instagram, Facebook, an…

Would you please read the site guidelines and follow them? "I guess you guys are only for" is a clear violation.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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