MacOS High Sierra

Post by pwdisswordfish » Mon, Sep 25, 2017, 1:34 PM UTC

roblabla wrote: post #134

raesene6 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, the good thing about Apple and Microsoft is I know what they want to sell me. Apple want me to buy relatively expensive devices on a regular basis and ideally a cloud subscription. Microsoft want me to buy subscriptions to their cloud services and ideally devices running their OS. In both cases the value for them is fairly clear and they have limited incentives to do anything that might jepordise those reven…

And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. The business models helps, but if you can both sell a product and get ad revenue, why wouldn't you ? In apple's case, they have a fairly small but dedicated marketshare that cares deeply about those issue. That's why I trust them to not sabotage their product. Microsoft has a monopoly, they don't need to care.

Post by tomp » Mon, Sep 25, 2017, 1:39 PM UTC

vetinari wrote: post #230

tomp wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Asking for open-sourcing the client parts will not help you anyway, because the server parts are still running on Google servers and you won't be able to replace them. It wouldn't be ideal, but a big improvement. Providing a clear API to Store, Maps, Mail, etc. would (1) allow developers to publish their own client for these services (that e.g. don't display ads, or don't track the user, or obfuscate/anonymise the…

So you want to use their back end with your front end, and remove their monetization? Why would they even entertain the thought of agreeing to something like that? The much better approach is bring your own backed. E.g. I'm using Sygic (because it is offline and the roaming fees were killing the online maps) and it works in the all places where the original Maps work. If I click in the Booking.com app to navigate to…

Post by heedlessly2 » Mon, Sep 25, 2017, 1:40 PM UTC

Sean1708 wrote: post #172

raesene6 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What markets is it that you feel Microsoft have a monopoly in? Desktop/Laptops is now a 3-way split between MS, Apple and Google with chromebooks. Mobile is a split between Apple and Google with MS out of it. Cloud is Amazon out in front with MS in second place. Office is the one area where MS could be considered to have a monopoly but even there I think cloud players are gaining ground and also (AFAIK) there's no ad…

Wikipedia says that Windows accounts for well over 70% of all desktop use[0], I personally wouldn't call that a 3-way split. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...

Post by falcolas » Mon, Sep 25, 2017, 1:41 PM UTC

pwdisswordfish wrote: post #231

roblabla wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. The business models helps, but if you can both sell a product and get ad revenue, why wouldn't you ? In apple's case, they have a fairly small but dedicated marketshare that cares deeply about those issue. That's why I trust them to not sabotage their product. Microsoft has a monopoly, they don't need to care.

> And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. Using daily, only thing I've seen - notification about Edge (which came with the OS). what?

Post by AHTERIX5000 » Mon, Sep 25, 2017, 1:52 PM UTC

feelix wrote: post #120

When installing a major OS update it's often worthwhile to do a clean install. As a shameless plug of some free software I made, Install Disk Creator will make you a bootable USB installer out of any USB disk you have laying around made from the macOS installer that you download from Apple.