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Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by snvzz »

What happened here:

- judge told .cat TLD to take over some domains, setting them to display a spanish police landing page.

- .cat complied.

- Judge told .cat TLD to censor any domain that does support the referendum in any way.

- .cat replied that they run a TLD, that it's not their job to act as a censorship agency, inspecting each domain and disabling those that host websites that talk about topics that a judge specified are forbidden.

- .cat notified the ICANN of the situation they're in: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/lineros...

- police raided the TLD office, and arrested its CTO at his home.

This is in some EU member country in western Europe.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by Oletros »

pvaldes wrote: post #220
Oletros wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spain is for all the spaniards. All have the same basic rights as the right to move freely inside the entire country, to work and live when they want inside its frontiers and to decide together about the destiny of their country. With logical exceptions (like requiring granted access to private areas); this super-basic concept is in use in all free and democratic countries of the world. Think that has nothing to do…

As said before, this 70% of the local population would represent, lets say, a mere 10% of the total population. So if one of each ten people voted for "yes to A", and the other nine people voted for "no to A". What should happen in a democratic system?. Well, the idea here is that you has the freedom to choose among two nice options: "yes to A" and "repeat the process until yes to A is achieved" or "start negociation…

I repeat the question, because it seems that you have not understood it.

If a 70% of the population of a territory (and I'm not talking about Catalonia, because there is no majority for independence) wants to secede, what the State should do?

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by Oletros »

gfiorav wrote: post #200
Oletros wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That link doesn't talk about support to a vote, just for independence

Support for the vote is at least the same for independence. It’s more, some people against independence are in favor of the vote

Form the El Pais of today

https://elpais.com/ccaa/2017/09/23/catalunya/1506191226_2201...

> Hasta un 82% de catalanes se muestran partidarios de solucionar el problema catalán con un referéndum pactado y plenamente legal sobre la independencia. La idea seduce a la inmensa mayoría de los partidos independentistas pero también recoge numerosos apoyos entre las fuerzas constitucionalistas.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

#234

Post by pvaldes »

Oletros wrote: post #232
pvaldes wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As said before, this 70% of the local population would represent, lets say, a mere 10% of the total population. So if one of each ten people voted for "yes to A", and the other nine people voted for "no to A". What should happen in a democratic system?. Well, the idea here is that you has the freedom to choose among two nice options: "yes to A" and "repeat the process until yes to A is achieved" or "start negociation…

I repeat the question, because it seems that you have not understood it. If a 70% of the population of a territory (and I'm not talking about Catalonia, because there is no majority for independence) wants to secede, what the State should do?

> it seems that you have not understood the question.

I did, and have provided a very clear answer to the question in fact.

What the government of a country should do if a group of people declare themselves on sedition, start refusing to pay taxes, wants to steal all public resources, harass and drive out of the place the people that think different, take their properties and piss generously on the constitutional rights of the majority of the citizens?

Enforce the law, obviously

"But, but, I want to ignore and twist the law in my benefit!. I should be allowed to do it, because I'm special!, my mom told me!"

You can violate the laws everytime that you want, as long as you accept the consequences, and repair the damage caused to other members of the society.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by Oletros »

pvaldes wrote: post #234
Oletros wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I repeat the question, because it seems that you have not understood it. If a 70% of the population of a territory (and I'm not talking about Catalonia, because there is no majority for independence) wants to secede, what the State should do?

> it seems that you have not understood the question. I did, and have provided a very clear answer to the question in fact. What the government of a country should do if a group of people declare themselves on sedition, start refusing to pay taxes, wants to steal all public resources, harass and drive out of the place the people that think different, take their properties and piss generously on the constitutional rig…

No, you have not understood the question. I'm not talking of what is happening in Catalonia this days. Because in Catalonia there is no majority of people defending independence.

I'm asking what happens if in a part of a territory the vast majority of population doesn't want to be part of that country.

If you want to talk of Catalonia, I can ask what the Central Government can do when 82% of the population (and this includes half of people that wants independence and half of people that doesn't want independence) would defend a LEGAL and proper done referendum.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by pvaldes »

Oletros wrote: post #235
pvaldes wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it seems that you have not understood the question. I did, and have provided a very clear answer to the question in fact. What the government of a country should do if a group of people declare themselves on sedition, start refusing to pay taxes, wants to steal all public resources, harass and drive out of the place the people that think different, take their properties and piss generously on the constitutional rig…

No, you have not understood the question. I'm not talking of what is happening in Catalonia this days. Because in Catalonia there is no majority of people defending independence. I'm asking what happens if in a part of a territory the vast majority of population doesn't want to be part of that country. If you want to talk of Catalonia, I can ask what the Central Government can do when 82% of the population (and this…

Ok, enough of running in circles chasing our tails.

The answer to your deliberately ambiguous question is the same. Enforce the law.

> What if a lot of people do not want to remain in this country?

They will pack, leave and try to migrate and be accepted under the umbrella of other countries typically. It is happening a lot in the last decades, by good (and sad) reasons.

> What if the majority of people would hate their country (but want to remain in it).

They could use the tools specified in the law to change the bad parts and improve their country democratically. As they are a majority, they are probably doing this yet since years. They must have in mind still that there are international laws and treaties.

> What would happen if 100% of USA demand the independence from themselves and require to be called "Pantsdemonium, the land of the pants-free" from now on?

Just a change of name (and interesting parties, like the national day of the duck and so). On the other hand, if you can't stand to be in the same room with yourself, go to see a doctor as soon as possible.

> and if it was the 90%?

A change of name plus a 10% of people driven off their own country, typically by violent means, if we study the human history.

> and if it was the 85.45342%?

the same... and more people in exodus.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by Oletros »

pvaldes wrote: post #236
Oletros wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you have not understood the question. I'm not talking of what is happening in Catalonia this days. Because in Catalonia there is no majority of people defending independence. I'm asking what happens if in a part of a territory the vast majority of population doesn't want to be part of that country. If you want to talk of Catalonia, I can ask what the Central Government can do when 82% of the population (and this…

Ok, enough of running in circles chasing our tails. The answer to your deliberately ambiguous question is the same. Enforce the law. > What if a lot of people do not want to remain in this country? They will pack, leave and try to migrate and be accepted under the umbrella of other countries typically. It is happening a lot in the last decades, by good (and sad) reasons. > What if the majority of people would hate th…

And you still don't answer.

My question is not ambiguous.

And looking at your "hate", I think that you prefer what happened in Jugoslavia and not what happened in Czechoslovakia

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by pvaldes »

Oletros wrote: post #237
pvaldes wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, enough of running in circles chasing our tails. The answer to your deliberately ambiguous question is the same. Enforce the law. > What if a lot of people do not want to remain in this country? They will pack, leave and try to migrate and be accepted under the umbrella of other countries typically. It is happening a lot in the last decades, by good (and sad) reasons. > What if the majority of people would hate th…

And you still don't answer. My question is not ambiguous. And looking at your "hate", I think that you prefer what happened in Jugoslavia and not what happened in Czechoslovakia

Enforce the law

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

#239

Post by pvaldes »

pvaldes wrote: post #234
Oletros wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I repeat the question, because it seems that you have not understood it. If a 70% of the population of a territory (and I'm not talking about Catalonia, because there is no majority for independence) wants to secede, what the State should do?

> it seems that you have not understood the question. I did, and have provided a very clear answer to the question in fact. What the government of a country should do if a group of people declare themselves on sedition, start refusing to pay taxes, wants to steal all public resources, harass and drive out of the place the people that think different, take their properties and piss generously on the constitutional rig…

everytime that -> as many times as

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by 6t6t6t6 »

pvaldes wrote: post #230
6t6t6t6 wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> right to educate their children in Spanish This is the kind of nonsense Catalans need to read every day from Spanish media. 100% of the children who finish secondary education in Catalonia are perfectly fluent in Catalan and Spanish. What those people want is to prevent their kids from learning Catalan. The amount lies, BS and bigotry that comes from unionists is amazing.

> 100% of the children who finish secondary education in Catalonia are perfectly fluent in Catalan and Spanish. This is debatable, specially in ortography. There is always room to improve; and it seems that parents here and there demand more hours taught in spanish at the school since years. Those are just normal people that want the best for their children and have to fill the educational gaps at home, not politicia…

> On the other hand, isn't "Unionist" a peculiar word to refer to your neighbours?

Independentist is the person who would prefer Catalonia being an independent state.

Unionist is the person who wants Catalonia to stay united with Spain.

I think that both terms are quite neutral. Do you have any idea for a better terminology?

> This is debatable, specially in orthography.

I guess that you are aware that there's an annual exam that assesses the knowledge level in several subjects (PISA). The result of this test shows, year after year, that the knowledge of Spanish language of the Catalan kids is slightly over the average of the country; and quite higher than many other regions that are Spanish monolingual.

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