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Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by pavel_lishin »

daxorid wrote: post #219
scrollaway wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, stop. Please. I was a huge proponent of IRC but the lack of developments the past... decades has killed it for me. Discord is straight up better. Yes it's proprietary, but no, IRC is just not a good alternative at this point, it hasn't kept up. And I love to death what the IRCCloud guys are doing but it's just not good enough to use as a proper communication tool especially in a company. Admitting this is the fir…

None of the features you mention are useful for actually communicating and getting work done. Your concept of "better" is distinctly different from mine. In my world, software without completely useless and unnecessary features is better than bloatware. irssi + tmux + logging + grep works great for 100% of actual not-embedding-useless-cat-videos-to-avoid-having-to-actually-get-work-done use cases. In the interest of…

> None of the features you mention are useful for actually communicating and getting work done.

I respectfully disagree. It's incredibly helpful to be able to video/voice call a coworker instead of typing back and forth. It's also incredibly helpful to be able to quickly past a screenshot of an issue you're seeing, or to paste a quick snippet of code, or log, with nice formatting.

Yes, I could use my phone or another app, and I could paste my image to imgur and share a link, or point them to github - but that's another step, another roadblock on the road to communication and understanding.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by halfteatree »

Retric wrote: post #101
erikb wrote: post #48

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A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…

That's still small picture thinking. Dropping efficiency by 50% is the equivalent of spending 4+ hours in a meeting every day. If your team needs that kind of overhead then something massive is broken and a chat room is not going to fix it. As a general rule, on large teams informal communication is vastly less efficient than formal communication. A major goal should be avoiding having the same conversation repeatedl…

But no one is saying you should use instant messaging or informal communication for everything. It's a tool, and it's good at certain roles, for example, a log that includes context for investigations into incidents.

For design docs, formal notifications, etc., there's still email and services like Quip. They are not mutually exclusive.

Having day to day discussions in informal channels and consolidating them into a more formal form of communication is a workflow I enjoy working with.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by kuschku »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #231
daxorid wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of the features you mention are useful for actually communicating and getting work done. Your concept of "better" is distinctly different from mine. In my world, software without completely useless and unnecessary features is better than bloatware. irssi + tmux + logging + grep works great for 100% of actual not-embedding-useless-cat-videos-to-avoid-having-to-actually-get-work-done use cases. In the interest of…

> None of the features you mention are useful for actually communicating and getting work done. I respectfully disagree. It's incredibly helpful to be able to video/voice call a coworker instead of typing back and forth. It's also incredibly helpful to be able to quickly past a screenshot of an issue you're seeing, or to paste a quick snippet of code, or log, with nice formatting. Yes, I could use my phone or another…

And that is why I and many others are working on adding exactly that into today's IRC clients.

Why I'm working on copy-paste of images and long text for quassel.

Why people are working on WebRTC via IRC.

All this is coming.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by eridius »

Kiro wrote: post #199
Insanity wrote: post #195

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I do not consider Discord to belong in that space. it is aimed at gamers and not productivity at work in that sense it is more like steam and xfire. other than that I completely agree, but it still beats people coming over to your desk every few minutes and asking questions for which you need to stop your music and drop everything immediatly.

Many companies and open source communities have migrated from Slack to Discord. How is it different, aside from marketing and playful copy?

Feature set.

Slack has a bazillion integrations with different services. Discord's integrations are mostly focused around game streaming. Slack lets you use a different email and identity for each team. Discord gives you a single unified identity that you use everywhere and doesn't even expose email. Slack has customizable data retention policies. I'm pretty sure Discord doesn't, but I don't actually know what limits it even places on message history. Discord lets you block people (which makes sense for a social group). Slack very intentionally doesn't support blocking or ignoring (because it's for business communications; if you're being harassed, that's an HR issue, employees should not be able to simply ignore each other).

And of course there's more, like SSO, user provisioning, custom user groups, guaranteed uptime, etc.

Don't get me wrong, Discord is great. But it's not really the right tool for companies. The only reason a company should use Discord instead of Slack (or Stride or whatever else) is because they're cheap and don't want to pay for their business communication tool.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by inthewoods »

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

And you're leaving off Flock.com (Slack clone) and Google Hangouts (whenever that emerges in its new form).

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by briandear »

inthewoods wrote: post #235
morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

And you're leaving off Flock.com (Slack clone) and Google Hangouts (whenever that emerges in its new form).

Flock? That product built by the billionaire that wanted to change the world by creating a Slack clone?

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by semperdark »

jamiesonbecker wrote: post #192
solatic wrote: post #187

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> without diving too deep into the `curl https | sh` debate :) So now that it's clear to me that it is possible to do an on-prem install, I decided to look at your curl->sh install script. You guys are basically justifying the fears of our security folks. After grabbing sudo from the user, without asking permission, you pkill NTPD (!), add pool.ntp.org (never mind that we may run our own NTP servers, specifically to…

Hi Solatic, no problem and appreciate your direct approach :) Pull requests are gratefully accepted: https://github.com/userify/userify-server-tools Why don't you discuss with one of our solutions architects (or me) by email instead? Most enterprises definitely do package for their unique environment, and we certainly will assist. My email is jamieson.becker@.

You're making him go through an awful lot of trouble to be a customer. This sounds like you're telling him to stop talking about his concerns so loudly (in public) rather than actually looking into them.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by harisamin »

A bit off topic but I have been working on a native Mac slack app on and off for the past couple of years. Truly native, no web views except for the Slack oauth login.

Would ppl be interested in beta-testing it? Would ppl here be interested in paying for something like that?

Here are some links to screenshots so you know its not just vaporware :)

https://twitter.com/harisamin/status/727634194814373889

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChkTccjVAAAZ0Kt.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChkTcbMUkAIYolx.png

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