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CoinDash’s ICO Website Has Been Hacked

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Re: CoinDash’s ICO Website Has Been Hacked

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Important information related to this incident: 1. CoinDash did not publish the address of the contract in advance of the ICO: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/6nsy6x/coindash_w... 2. Allegedly, CoinDash ignored issues brought up by a software contractor / code reviewer: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/6nrxk5/never_mis... > In reviewing their crowdsale code, I found multiple bugs and many errors…

The entire point of Cryptocurrency is to step away from institutional trust, not dive head-first into it.

Bitcoin succeeds as a scarce and sovereign wealth management tool but once you give away the private keys, you lose those advantages.

Re: CoinDash’s ICO Website Has Been Hacked

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The DAO was hacked by an unknown attacker who stole Ether worth around $50 million dollars at the time. After much debate, the Ethereum community voted and decided to retrieve the stolen funds by executing what’s known as a hard fork or a change in code.

Smart Contracts by definition aren't hackable. The "attacker" just found a loophole or unintended effect in their contract and used it. An Ethereum hack would be like, I dunno, finding an exploit in the implementation of the VM or something.

> a loophole or unintended effect in their contract

Sure sounds like a hack to me.

Re: CoinDash’s ICO Website Has Been Hacked

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Where's the news?! Why do people continue to bang heads against the wall with this madness? Unless you're a thief, how is the craptocurrency thing better than my credit card that's insured from unauthorized use and gives me a cash back?! Yeah, you can't speculate with credit cards, and get rich quick, because $1 = $1 like forever, but isn't that what the real investment tools are for?

1. I see the the current batch of crypto-currencies as an experiment and their valuation more like a bet on which currency will manage to adapt to the future.

2. Not all properties are relevant or even desirable: For example, I could live without POW or a fixed cap.

3. That being said, let me give you an example of a currency that could realistically be adopted by a government: a centrally controlled currency (the central bank is the only miner) but the blocks are validated by the citizens.

Here you could have the inflation rate specified through a smart contract (e.g. 3%). The only way to print more money would be to to ask the nodes to vote on an amount that will be included in the next block.

Re: CoinDash’s ICO Website Has Been Hacked

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That's the definition of insurance. The problem with bitcoin, if you think that's a problem, is that there's no obvious way to implement this scheme. You'd have to insure your coins to a third party but then you'd probably have to give them some control over your wallet so that you can't just "steal" your own coins and make a claim. But clearly people want this type of guarantee so I think the cryptopunk dream of hav…

I can think of at least two real-world uses where cryptocurrency is a better choice than fiat: (1) sending money overseas with very low transaction fee, and (2) transacting on the black market.

About number (1). TransferWise is affordable and it doesn't have the currency exchange scam.

Re: CoinDash’s ICO Website Has Been Hacked

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Show me one instance of an underbanked person who achieved a line of credit thanks to cryptocurrency. Just one, please. That's right, they don't exist, and this argument is bullshit.

I don't really have any bank accounts right now and pay my credit card bills with bitcoin. I guess I might be that person then? Although, I've pretty much always been paid in cryptocurrencies so my situation is rather unique.

You have access to banks, you just choose not to use them. And you have a government identity and a credit history that you used to obtain your credit card. You aren't remotely close to the hypothetical character the OP described.

Re: CoinDash’s ICO Website Has Been Hacked

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Just to pick up on this one small point: as I understand it, the cashback you get with a credit card is more or less taken straight from the card processing fee charged to the vendor, which of course, raises prices overall and is therefore not really cashback at all. Without the fee, you would likely have just paid a lower price in the first place. The only party benefitting from the cashback scheme is, of course, th…

That's the definition of insurance. The problem with bitcoin, if you think that's a problem, is that there's no obvious way to implement this scheme. You'd have to insure your coins to a third party but then you'd probably have to give them some control over your wallet so that you can't just "steal" your own coins and make a claim. But clearly people want this type of guarantee so I think the cryptopunk dream of hav…

> That's the definition of insurance.

The GP was talking about the marketing (cash back / rebates, discount rates, travel insurance) aspects of credit cards. These aren't insurance in any meaningful way. They are marketing expenditures designed to persuade credit card end-users to stay with a credit card brand. It's not unlike the Apple / Google / Amazon walled gardens for their {devices, paid apps, paid downloads, DRMed content}.

It's not "insurance". Banks and credit cards are regulated by government, so their offerings must meet the standards of the regulations. If cryptocurrencies become widely used for purchases, they, too, will likely become subject to tighter regulation. Additionally, contracts with other parties (cryptocurrency exchangers, retailers, etc) will need to ensure a certain amount of "insurance" of some sort in order to gain wider market acceptance.

The reason you don't get "cash back" from cryptocurrency (or cash) transactions is because there is no (hidden from the end user) 2.5%+ (sometimes 4%+) transaction fee paid by the merchant. That means the merchant passes on that cost onto the end user in the form of higher prices. Their merchant contracts with the credit card systems restrict how they can message this to the end user, so it's an opaque cost. When the Bitcoin protocol change dust settles, Bitcoin transactions will again be far lower than comparable credit card transaction fees.

The only reasonable aspect of credit card purchases that could be considered some form of "insurance" are the protections granted by state governments in the form of consumer protections for retailer purchases (in the form of returns, warranties, etc). Presumably these exist in the same form whether you purchase via cash, plastic, or cryptocurrency. The trick is that these protections are limited if you purchase anything outside of your state (like international transactions).

Re: CoinDash’s ICO Website Has Been Hacked

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> CoinDash's Token Sale page was tempered... Now reads "tampered", but "tempered [sic]" would seem to have been appropriate if really was the message sent to investors. Funny how the subheadline had the typo before as well.

This is the sort of email you don't spend a lot of time spellchecking.

Right, I was thinking more of the news site.

Re: CoinDash’s ICO Website Has Been Hacked

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post #16

Where's the news?! Why do people continue to bang heads against the wall with this madness? Unless you're a thief, how is the craptocurrency thing better than my credit card that's insured from unauthorized use and gives me a cash back?! Yeah, you can't speculate with credit cards, and get rich quick, because $1 = $1 like forever, but isn't that what the real investment tools are for?

> because $1 = $1 like forever

No. $1 during the gold standard was different than $1 after we left it. Now, our central bank (the "Federal Reserve") aims to inflate our currency at +2%, every year. After 80 years (roughly a US lifetime), $1 at birth is worth $0.20 at death. And central banks can't always keep monetary policy under control.[1]

We just hit $20 trillion in US federal debt. It's set to continue to grow as baby boomers continue retiring. Congress has no spine to make large cuts in spending (for defense, discretionary, or entitlement programs). There are a handful of very large states in the same condition. The debt will continue to grow reasonably fast while the GDP of our economy has lagged.

$1 USD may say "$1" on the front forever, but the purchasing power of a dollar isn't likely to stay as strong as some other currencies. It's worth even less if large, important international transactions (like for oil/gas/weapons) are done less and less with the US dollar (@see "Bretton Woods" and "petrodollar").

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation

Re: CoinDash’s ICO Website Has Been Hacked

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the definition of insurance. The problem with bitcoin, if you think that's a problem, is that there's no obvious way to implement this scheme. You'd have to insure your coins to a third party but then you'd probably have to give them some control over your wallet so that you can't just "steal" your own coins and make a claim. But clearly people want this type of guarantee so I think the cryptopunk dream of hav…

> That's the definition of insurance. The GP was talking about the marketing (cash back / rebates, discount rates, travel insurance) aspects of credit cards. These aren't insurance in any meaningful way. They are marketing expenditures designed to persuade credit card end-users to stay with a credit card brand. It's not unlike the Apple / Google / Amazon walled gardens for their {devices, paid apps, paid downloads, D…

Does it matter as far as bitcoin's adoption is concerned though? I don't know if it works differently in other countries but at least in Europe you pay the same price whether you pay cash or use a debit/credit card, even though the shops probably prefer cash because they don't have to pay any fees on it.

Do you think thinks will be different for bitcoins? Because if I end up having to pay the same price in BTC as I would with cash or Visa and on top of that I have to pay the bitcoin fee then as a consumer I'm not exactly better off.

>if cryptocurrencies become widely used for purchases, they, too, will likely become subject to tighter regulation.

I thought the whole point was to make a currency that could not be regulated by governments? If my coins are stolen what can the government do? It's as difficult to track as cash (if not more difficult) and it's completely immaterial like a credit card number. It's the perfect tool for thieves, as this ICO hack demonstrates. If the thieves are a bit patient and take the time to split and move their money around to hide their tracks they might never be found.

Re: CoinDash’s ICO Website Has Been Hacked

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post #231

Important information related to this incident: 1. CoinDash did not publish the address of the contract in advance of the ICO: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/6nsy6x/coindash_w... 2. Allegedly, CoinDash ignored issues brought up by a software contractor / code reviewer: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/6nrxk5/never_mis... > In reviewing their crowdsale code, I found multiple bugs and many errors…

The entire point of Cryptocurrency is to step away from institutional trust, not dive head-first into it. Bitcoin succeeds as a scarce and sovereign wealth management tool but once you give away the private keys, you lose those advantages.

Bitcoin is only scarce for late adopters, by design early adopters of BTC software generated thousands of "coins" per week for running a mining-computation node of a normal 2-3GHz CPU.

BTC's network protocol service is not unique, and thus not scarce in the least. I.E. other protocols/network designs/token-ledgers offer the same service as BTC in addition to fixing the vulnerability to BTC's hashing algorithm which has led to the ASIC attacks on the Bitcoin network which just lead to centralization by the hardware producers.

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