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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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ZainRiz wrote: post #110
baq wrote: post #105

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> To state the obvious, this proposal is antithetical to the concept of network neutrality. the culture employs special circumstances when the situation exceeds the moral capacity of contact. or to put it differently, sometimes outside forces are so strong that you either let your ethics... be flexible for while or just disappear in the annals of history. whether OP's particular action would be effective is a differe…

Therin lie dragons That's how you start thinking it's okay to drop napalm and nuclear bombs on cities since "it'll end the war faster"

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Post by willstrafach »

briandear wrote: post #220
seiferteric wrote: post #187

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There would be no time. He literally has a phone on the desk that he can launch all the nukes in a few minutes notice, and NOBODY can stop him without illegally refusing to follow orders (hope to god they would obviously) but assuming everything works as designed the world would end.

Not exactly true. There is a two man rule to launch. On paper the president has the power, but there are extensive safeguards in place.

They are not allowed to override POTUS.

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drcube wrote: post #206
ucaetano wrote: post #151

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You talk like customers actually have a choice in ISP...

There's always a choice. Suppose your ISP started charging you $10,000 per month for the service you have now? Would you pay it? Could you? No, you'd probably just go without home service, or rely on your cellular data plan, or get dialup, or just take an internet sabbatical until the ISP cleaned up their act. For some people, their tolerance for bullshit is less than others. For those people, perhaps charging a doll…

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Post by fuckthissite »

scottLobster wrote: post #104
cracell wrote: post #92

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I think they just don't see the point. I don't think the people pushing to dismantle net neutrality are stupid. They know that removing it is bad for innovation and consumers but they'd rather help the ISPs make more money than help keep America's economy healthy overall. Probably because they directly receive benefits from the ISPs. So since we are all being ignored, why will yelling louder make a difference?

It worked against SOPA/PIPA, although granted that was legislation up for a vote, not the policy of a commission. At the very least it might give some of the politicians a moment of pause to know they're seriously pissing off other powerful moneyed interests, and it would certainly increase public awareness and perhaps make more people care. If you talk about how YouTube might be throttled without Net Neutrality, peo…

yeah but back then this site wasnt full of bitches

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AndrewKemendo wrote: post #221
komali2 wrote: post #80

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I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power. What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to…

It's going to happen. It's not question of if, but when. If a corporation succeeds in building General AI with enough hooks into basic infrastructure, and a loyal enough employee base, then they will have a more powerful weapon than any nuclear bomb. They can then build their own drone army that no conventional military could stand up against.

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Post by Nomentatus »

sloppycee wrote: post #74
mirekrusin wrote: post #61

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Yes, it would cost them a lot, billions probably, as it would be unconstitutional action. They would be forced to close the shop if they continued. [edit] It could however work if they throttle priority isp traffic to counterbalance.

> unconstitutional How? Google is a private individual/company; they can deny anyone service, so long as the reason is not discriminating against a protected class.

or using their market power to extend a monopoly.

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Post by [deleted] »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

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Post by throwaway2048 »

drcube wrote: post #206
ucaetano wrote: post #151

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You talk like customers actually have a choice in ISP...

There's always a choice. Suppose your ISP started charging you $10,000 per month for the service you have now? Would you pay it? Could you? No, you'd probably just go without home service, or rely on your cellular data plan, or get dialup, or just take an internet sabbatical until the ISP cleaned up their act. For some people, their tolerance for bullshit is less than others. For those people, perhaps charging a doll…

The idea that people should be willing to go without Internet, and if they don't they clearly don't care enough is self defeating and silly.

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Post by sushid »

drcube wrote: post #206
ucaetano wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You talk like customers actually have a choice in ISP...

There's always a choice. Suppose your ISP started charging you $10,000 per month for the service you have now? Would you pay it? Could you? No, you'd probably just go without home service, or rely on your cellular data plan, or get dialup, or just take an internet sabbatical until the ISP cleaned up their act. For some people, their tolerance for bullshit is less than others. For those people, perhaps charging a doll…

That's a poor way of trying to weasel out of the actual definition of monopoly, which is defined as "a company or group having exclusive control over a commodity or service"[0].

What you're describing is a substitute good. When the "choice" is to not purchase said product/service and look to alternatives, you're literally describing the effect of a monopoly.

[0] http://www.dictionary.com/browse/monopoly

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