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Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by Ftuuky »

jjawssd wrote: post #187
jchampem wrote: post #128

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You can expect something from 50k to 70k€ (gross salary) dependending on the company and your experience. Remove 25% of that to have an idea of your net salary. (Those 25% are mostly for your retirement plan, social security and unemployment insurance. All of those are mandatory) Expect to pay between 1 and 2 months net salary in yearly incomes taxes.

That sounds like double or triple the amount of tax Americans in a similar role have to pay at home

Welcome to Europe.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by scrollaway »

omginternets wrote: post #215
GrumpyBen wrote: post #184

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You're linking a source that you don't understand. "Toute personne qui refuse délibérément de s’affilier ou qui demande à ne plus être affiliée à un régime de sécurité sociale" This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. And since when is it illegal to talk about homosexuals, non-white people or jews ?

>And since when is it illegal to talk about homosexuals, non-white people or jews ? See: Eric Zemmour You're allowed to talk about them provided the contents of your speech is "they're great and I love everything about them". I'm not particularly fond of Zemmour, but his multiple condemnations absolutely qualify as political censorship.

I don't know Zemmour other than by name. So I went on his Wikipedia page to take a look at that. The french one appears to have more information.

- Condamnation pour incitation à la discrimination raciale en 2011

- Condamnation pour provocation à la haine envers les musulmans

- Condamnation d'I-Télé pour "rupture abusive de contrat"

One is about racial discrimination. One is about inciting hate against muslims. The last one is about a private company. The guy also happens to have written a book about gays where... I'll just quote wikipedia: ""gays" would have been stigmatized and isolated, like the lepers of old."

Help me out here. How do you get from there to "You're only allowed to talk about gays if you say 'they're great and I love everything about them'"?

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by pyrale »

Chris2048 wrote: post #209
LunaSea wrote: post #98

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I would still pick Berlin or Amsterdam over France. Maybe even Sweden or Finland because of the average English language level spoken in those countries even though the startup scene there is smaller than Paris.

Plus employee welfare in France is ridiculous, ultimately harmful to their economy..

We've actually had this welfare for 70 years, and the harm was supposed to come any minute now for all this time. Ultimately, its demise is likely going to come from the propaganda against it rather from it actually being a problem.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by GrumpyBen »

omginternets wrote: post #215
GrumpyBen wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're linking a source that you don't understand. "Toute personne qui refuse délibérément de s’affilier ou qui demande à ne plus être affiliée à un régime de sécurité sociale" This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. And since when is it illegal to talk about homosexuals, non-white people or jews ?

>And since when is it illegal to talk about homosexuals, non-white people or jews ? See: Eric Zemmour You're allowed to talk about them provided the contents of your speech is "they're great and I love everything about them". I'm not particularly fond of Zemmour, but his multiple condemnations absolutely qualify as political censorship.

You can't base your thinking on one particular example. Judges can make mistakes.

The law makes racism, antisemitism and homophobia illegal. That's fine for me.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by ViktorMihov »

mamadrood wrote: post #168
throwaway1892 wrote: post #123

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I would say 46+ k€, before taxes, which are 33% corporate tax rate and ~30% on personal income. But I'm not sure how it applies to people with tech visa.

46k is really low in France for an experienced dev and that's outside of Paris. Junior dev engineer earn at least 45k when they begin in Paris, and it gets to 60k in about 5-10 years. Also corporate taxes are about 23% but you're right on personal income.

46k actually high for France and probably average for mid level in Paris.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by Turing_Machine »

blibble wrote: post #112
camus2 wrote: post #49

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The issue is why can't France even attract engineers and investors from WITHIN the Eurozone, these people don't need Visa. The issue is elsewhere, not in the pool of engineers. France can't even retain its own engineers.

because London is sat next door with considerably higher salaries, and everyone there speaks English not to mention setting up a company costs £14, 20% corporation tax (dropping to 17%), tax back for individuals investing in SEIS companies (which is easy for a firm apply for), and R&D tax credits

>because London is sat next door with considerably higher salaries, and everyone there speaks English

That's a bigger deal than it might seem, even if you're recruiting from countries that aren't nominally Anglophone.

If you pick a random engineer in, say, China, there's a lot higher probability that the engineer will speak English than French.

English also opens up India, where most educated people have studied English, and English is actually one of the official languages.

French is only common in countries where French is an official language, most of which have small populations and/or not much of a tech scene.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by omginternets »

scrollaway wrote: post #232
omginternets wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And since when is it illegal to talk about homosexuals, non-white people or jews ? See: Eric Zemmour You're allowed to talk about them provided the contents of your speech is "they're great and I love everything about them". I'm not particularly fond of Zemmour, but his multiple condemnations absolutely qualify as political censorship.

I don't know Zemmour other than by name. So I went on his Wikipedia page to take a look at that. The french one appears to have more information. - Condamnation pour incitation à la discrimination raciale en 2011 - Condamnation pour provocation à la haine envers les musulmans - Condamnation d'I-Télé pour "rupture abusive de contrat" One is about racial discrimination. One is about inciting hate against muslims. The l…

The devil is in the details. What passes for "inciting *" is very broad, and is (in itself) the mechanism by which political censorship is applied.

I truly urge you to read up on this affaire. What he actually said really wasn't that big a deal.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by raitom »

geoka9 wrote: post #222
devilsbabe wrote: post #174

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I just graduated from Ecole Centrale Paris, usually second on engineering school rankings after Ecole Polytechnique. I found a job in web development in a small startup in November and am making ~45k a year.

Gross or take-home?

Gross. We always talk about gross salary in France.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by mangecoeur »

I have really high hopes that starups/high tech companies will also flourish outside of Paris. France has some really great medium sized cities - compact, livable, full of character and with much lower costs. I'm hoping that some of them will develop the core of a startup scene that will draw in more people and generally make them exciting. Toulouse already has this to an extent with Airbus being there, generally very active in aerospace and robotics.

Re: A Visa for founders, engineers and investors willing to join France

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Post by dmuneka »

jjawssd wrote: post #187
jchampem wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can expect something from 50k to 70k€ (gross salary) dependending on the company and your experience. Remove 25% of that to have an idea of your net salary. (Those 25% are mostly for your retirement plan, social security and unemployment insurance. All of those are mandatory) Expect to pay between 1 and 2 months net salary in yearly incomes taxes.

That sounds like double or triple the amount of tax Americans in a similar role have to pay at home

I think it depends on where in the US. In NYC, I pay around 32% of my gross income in federal and local taxes, social security, medicare, etc. That's almost 4 months of my salary.

On top of that, I have to pay for health insurance, deductibles, and retirement savings, which I assume my French counterpart wouldn't have to separately pay for.

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