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Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by Kankuro »

Loic wrote: post #61
prdonahue wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I hate this more than I can express in a public forum. Google is notorious for it, especially when they try to get you to use the YouTube app rather than the web interface. It's not "maybe later" I want—it's "never ask me again".

Google Maps on Android is massively using dark patterns. If you are on the go and open the app, it requests to enable the location service to continue. The choices are: "Enable location service" or "Cancel". It is phrased in a way that it will not run the app if you tap on "Cancel" but it works perfectly if you select "Cancel". The worse, if you agree, it enables the location service for everything all the time where…

I am prompted that each time I activate the GPS to use OsmAnd (for example).

The worst is that if you accept it once, this setting is saved and there is no obvious way in the UI to change it back (which was possible in the past I think).

To reset it, go in the Applications manager in the settings, choose Google Play Services and reset all its data.

There is no way it is a bug, someone had to think and put this deceptive behaviour as a feature (and someone had to design its deceptive UI, someone had to do unit testing for this deceptive behaviour, someone had to QA it…).

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by woogiewonka »

covercash wrote: post #25

Would gofundme's entire brand and business model be considered a dark pattern? They go out of their way to make it feel like a nonprofit, promote campaigns for issues that already have actual nonprofit status/direct donation pages, and do their best to hide their fees (which, last I checked, were actually higher for legitimate nonprofits than for regular campaigns).

All of the fundraising platforms do this. They charge a fee and some go as far as "recommending" a donation amount to the platform.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by wingerlang »

walterbell wrote: post #202
wernercd wrote: post #175

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Security update? 9.3.4 => 9.3.5? That's an update 9.3.5 => 10.0 is not a "security update". Constant nagware until you update is asinine. "Update Now or Later?"... f * you, I don't like what I see in 10... but I'm stuck with dancing around daily fucking warnings. I swear... I'm not bitter :) I also won't buy another iPhone.

Workaround: the iOS10 update requires 1GB of space. The nag only appears if the update has been auto-downloaded. Use "Manage Storage" to delete the 1GB update file for iOS10. THen load enough music/video on your iPhone so there is less than 1GB space. Presto, no more iOS10 download (won't fit) and no more nagging.

Quite nice. Might do this for the test devices we've got at work to prevent accidental updates.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by woogiewonka »

nitrogen wrote: post #141
gnicholas wrote: post #125

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Somewhat related—Amazon Prime Video now shows ads at the beginning of videos. This wasn't part of the deal when we signed up, and it's pretty deceptive to just start doing this to customers. I didn't see it in the agreement (actually went back and looked for something that would cover ads), and it's not clear what limits, if any, they think there are. That is, could they just decide to show as many ads as Hulu and sa…

Video services need to be disrupted in a way that sticks (not like Amazon adding ads after selling everyone on an ad-free service). The only service I use with any regularity now is Netflix since it has no ads, but even they sometimes have problems with finding the show you actually want to watch. I was on vacation recently and the room had DirecTV. I tried searching for a program and all the search results were for…

Speaking of Netflix, how about them autoplay video ads for Netflix original shows?! Can stand that shit. I'm on the edge of cancellation every time I see video previews autoplay!

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by bad_user »

PacketPaul wrote: post #218
13of40 wrote: post #212

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My solution was to give the iPad to my kid and get an Android.

And you will never get an OS update again. Android products seem to be orphaned at whatever OS is current at the time of production. Just bought a new Android table and it had lollipop. Turns out you cannot get the most recent OS for it so I am stuck with a 2 year old OS.

First of all there's a big difference in how Android gets upgraded. Google doesn't need to upgrade the base operating system in order to push changes to its apps and they can even push security fixes and upgrades to the base operating system by means of Play Services and supporting libraries by which they push backports.

It also depends on the Android device. I have a Nexus 6, released 2014, that's on the latest Android 7 (Nougat) and my old Nexus 4, released 2012, is on Android 5 (Lollipop).

Maybe I would have preferred if my Nexus 4 also got upgraded to the latest, but then again it might not have the needed juice, I like very much how it runs right now and all the apps I use still work and receive updates. And I also have an older iPad that got upgraded by Apple and is now unusable.

Even so, with Apple there's no way out - once upgraded, it stays upgraded and once support is dropped, it stays droppped. With my Nexus I have a choice - because of Android's nature I can always use CyanogenMod. It's not exactly a solution for the non-technical-savvy, but it works.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by function_seven »

gfody wrote: post #219
el_benhameen wrote: post #211

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Going forward, you can append "+whatever" to the username portion of your email address, e.g. You+spam@gmail.com, and gmail and most other providers I've used will ignore that part. Use it to trace the sharing of that address. I used that when signing up for a particular mailing list and found that my address was shared with about a dozen other marketers.

The shady places will just trim everything after the + anyways

Yeah, I’ve always figured as much. I use Yahoo’s disposable emails that don’t feature a “+” in them. There’s no way the sender can tell they’re sending to an alias.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by woogiewonka »

zpallin wrote: post #87

This presentation is great. I think a good next step on the path toward ending unethical UX could be in creating an international ethics review board for it. I know it sounds silly, but this is how a lot of decisions are agreed upon by many large organizations, and help encourage involvement and following the rules. See W3, ICANN, ESRB, IETF, etc. The "BUXE", or Board for User eXperience Ethics (just my name idea) co…

This is great, I'd be 100% behind this.

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by woogiewonka »

angry-hacker wrote: post #74

My question is how well these dark patterns work? People who have or must have implemented them, do you have any data? For an example join newsletter pop ups you get on websites. I assume everyone pisses off and closes them, or do they?

I worked for a large e-commerce store. We implemented pop-up email newsletter opt in and saw 4x growth in our mailing list. Pop-ups work, they suck from UX perspective but work nevertheless.

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Post by xabotage »

PacketPaul wrote: post #218
13of40 wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My solution was to give the iPad to my kid and get an Android.

And you will never get an OS update again. Android products seem to be orphaned at whatever OS is current at the time of production. Just bought a new Android table and it had lollipop. Turns out you cannot get the most recent OS for it so I am stuck with a 2 year old OS.

My Note 4 came with kitkat installed two years ago. Shortly thereafter I was able to upgrade to lollipop. For the past several months now I've been ignoring the available upgrade to marshmallow because honestly neither my cell provider nor Google has any incentive to let me keep a perfectly good phone for another year or two, so I'm worried a major performance hit is the only real feature I can expect from the new version. I know I'm being slightly irrational in this concern, but can anyone confirm that the jump from Android 5 to 6 doesn't cripple phones with "old" specs (since it's targeted to the latest phones)? I'd love to update if it turns out this is not the case.
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