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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by edblarney »

Rapzid wrote: post #178
RealGeek wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. Wasn't Trump rallying against such crony corruption aka 'pay for play'?

If we believe all the recently headlines about who he's bringing in it appears pure "pay to play". Lots of individuals who Trump "owes" through either money or support they provided to him; pure cronyism. I'm not sure Trump realizes what worked best in business, or what he felt worked best for him in what business he has done, is not necessarily best for operating policy. I'm not sure he cares. I suspect he might tho…

"Lots of individuals who Trump "owes" through either money or support they provided to him; pure cronyism."

Trump is the most 'free' President in modern history.

He 'owes' the least, to the fewest people.

This is one thing even the center-left press were talking about.

As for Thiel - $1M might seem like a lot - but Trump doesn't really 'owe' Thiel anything, because Thiel doesn't have direct future influence etc., and Trump doesn't need him in the future.

For example: Bill Maher gave $1M to Obama. For that you get some friendly things, but Obama didn't need Maher after that.

Hillary is not directly uber wealthy - and she accepted $57M from private individuals and businesses while she was Sec of State - for which she provided mostly small favours (introductions).

Trump had the smallest team in Presidential history, the banks were mostly betting on Hillary etc..

I don't really like Trump, but he's largely unburdened by having to hand out appointments.

He'll give them to those that 'stuck by him' i.e. Guliani etc. and scorn on the old Bush guard.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by generic_user »

knz wrote: post #144
daxorid wrote: post #37

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What is going on with this community? I feel like I am taking proverbial crazy pills. Clinton advocated for a "Manhattan Project" scope effort to backdoor crypto. She wants no-fly zones over Syria, a place we have NO business being in, to directly provoke proxy wars with Russia. She is extremely antagonistic to freedom of association and free enterprise, and she LOVES the panopticon surveillance state we have. She is…

> and yet, 99% of you are frothing at the mouth over a man who said bad words 18 years ago. There are multiple reports and videos of crowds at his rallies chanting "Kill the bitch, "Hang the bitch", and "Lock her up". Trump knew this and condoned the behaviour. He has actively singled out members of the "corrupt media". I can respect political differences but this is not normal behaviour for a healthy democracy. It's…

The DNC was caught red handed funding political operatives to organise and fund protests at trump events that started the violent riots that unfolded. There is numerous videos of Trump supporters being assaulted by Democratic thugs. And at this very moment protest organised by MoveOn.org are smashing windows and starting fires in Oakland, LA, NY and other Democrat controlled cities.

I do not see any healthy democratic virtue there at the DNC. It looks a lot like third world political intimidation tactics and violence.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/24/leaked-emails-show-dnc-off...

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by minikites »

jbpetersen wrote: post #116
kafkaesq wrote: post #93

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Thiel has some extremish views, but I generally regard him as intelligent and thoughtful. "He seems intelligent and thoughtful, but has scarily extremist views" might be a better angle to take.

Any specific highlights?

He's essentially a vampire:

http://www.inc.com/jeff-bercovici/peter-thiel-young-blood.ht...

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2016/08/02/peter-thiel-...

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by tmptmp »

Frondo wrote: post #56
overgard wrote: post #26

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"The right thing". Tolerance means recognizing that people have different world views than your own. Sometimes the people you do business with have political opinions you don't agree with. The melodrama over Thiel's political opinions is pointless. If you demand Thiel steps down, are you personally just going to stop doing business with 49% of the country that voted differently? Personally I lean liberal, but I'm pre…

Tolerance means you aren't jailing people with different views than your own. Tolerance means you aren't out beating people up for having different views. Tolerance isn't about putting on a happy face and doing business with someone whose views you find odious. If people are no longer free to use words or social stigma to advance their views and opinion, because "tolerance," then what do we have left?

>>If people are no longer free to use words or social stigma to advance their views and opinion, because "tolerance," then what do we have left?

I agree with you. But we cannot disregard the dishonest behaviour performed by most leftists/liberals over the years. The leftists/liberals hurl so much social stigma against the republicans/Christianity but they dishonestly and criminally keep mum about e.g. Islam. Sam Harris and Bill Maher have pointed this out beautifully at [1] and [2].

The leftists have never allowed anyone to socially stigmatize Muslims about their faith in the very vicious, barbaric and most importantly "the most intolerant" ideology of Islam. So now this has came around them.

Mainstream left/liberal camp is completely dishonest about its take on the issue of intolerance of Islam.

Sadly but not surprisingly people like Trump will succeed to exploit such thing.

The saner people in the left should reflect on this dishonest behaviour of the mainstream/vocal leftists and must do something about it, else the intolerance will just grow.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCWf0tHy7M

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL8rZTuGfZo

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by akamaka »

ch4s3 wrote: post #211
jbpetersen wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any specific highlights?

He thinks women shouldn't be able to vote. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peter-thiel-women-democr...

I looked at your article and it seems he's just saying that when women were enfranchised, the type of democracy we had became less supportive of libertarianism.

I have no idea whether that's true or not, but misquoting him is not contributing to an intelligent dialogue.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by verbify »

ch4s3 wrote: post #211
jbpetersen wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any specific highlights?

He thinks women shouldn't be able to vote. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peter-thiel-women-democr...

That's not quite accurate. What he did say was bad enough without exaggeration for effect. He said women voting led to less libertarianism, and he regards less libertarianism as a tragedy. He claims that he supports women voting.

He also said that 'democracy and freedom are incompatible' because the masses don't vote for his libertarian paradise.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by kafkaesq »

RealGeek wrote: post #70
meritt wrote: post #21

This was obvious from the RNC speech and further reinforced when Thiel donated $1M to Trump. A contrarian bet, sure, but $1M is a pretty small price to pay to have a 50/50 shot at CTO of the USA. I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. I had very negative feelings about Thiel, and those were magnified…

> I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. Wasn't Trump rallying against such crony corruption aka 'pay for play'?

Wasn't Trump rallying against such crony corruption aka 'pay for play'?

He may have, but like most everything he says it needs to be understood as "post-truth", and meant for the emotional impact only -- not the actual substance.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by pjscott »

ch4s3 wrote: post #211
jbpetersen wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any specific highlights?

He thinks women shouldn't be able to vote. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peter-thiel-women-democr...

He said that women are a tough constituency for libertarianism and capitalism, but that "It would be absurd to suggest that women’s votes will be taken away." How on earth are you getting "women shouldn't be allowed to vote" from that?
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