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Do the power consumption numbers cancel out the up-front price advantage?
RX480 consumes less power then the GTX1080 so they'd amplify the initial price advantage.
Is that total power, or power per GFLOP?
Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers
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Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers
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historically been very vocal about questionable decisions that provide far more value to the business than to the gamers. Maybe true historically - but in recent years publishers have figured out a formula to subvert criticism (review embargos, sponsored reviews, reddit astroturfing). There's no action after the complaining, it's all bark, they still buy the game, little bit of heat on reddit/twitter but then you sti…
The Division has had a major overhaul though - partially in response to the criticism.
True, but everyone who played it quit. Probably at least 90% of its playerbase.
Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
RX480 consumes less power then the GTX1080 so they'd amplify the initial price advantage.
Is that total power, or power per GFLOP?
Are you seriously asking me to do division for you? Do you own a calculator, cellphone or computer? Or are you actually that helpless?
AMD RX 480 has 5.8TFLOPS @$200 ($37/TFLOP) @231Watt Peak (2.5GFLOPS/Watt)
Nvidia GTX1080 8.9TFLOPS @$600 ($67/TFLOP) @318Watt Peak (2.8GFLOPS/Watt)
See Furmark benchmark for wattage values [1]
Typical KW-H in the US $0.12KW-H [2]. So the delta-cost of GTX1080 vs RX480 will be mitigated by GFLOPS/Watt efficiency savings in 4 years, 4 months. Which on a typical 2, 3, or even 4 year hardware replacement cycle the extra cost will NEVER be re-couped.
[1] http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1... for load wattage numbers
[2] http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/10/27/141766341/the-p...
Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is that total power, or power per GFLOP?
Are you seriously asking me to do division for you? Do you own a calculator, cellphone or computer? Or are you actually that helpless? AMD RX 480 has 5.8TFLOPS @$200 ($37/TFLOP) @231Watt Peak (2.5GFLOPS/Watt) Nvidia GTX1080 8.9TFLOPS @$600 ($67/TFLOP) @318Watt Peak (2.8GFLOPS/Watt) See Furmark benchmark for wattage values [1] Typical KW-H in the US $0.12KW-H [2]. So the delta-cost of GTX1080 vs RX480 will be mitigate…
Thanks for the info.
Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn't about just technical issue monitoring. Their privacy policies and such include sharing your personally identifying information (email, full name, etc) with 3rd parties & advertisers, and associating your random web browsing with your video card's account. Remember that it's not just games, but your web browser, media players and anything that might use hardware acceleration runs through these drivers, whic…
In my experience it is more nuanced than that, engineering will add a feature or capability and someone will come along and find a use for it that was unintended. At the search engine where I worked we came up with ways to inspect and adjust host rank and page rank such that we could knock out bad sites from the search results that were doing a good job gaming the system. But that biz dev folks also noted the same pi…
At a data design level, they could (and should, by default) at the very least keep all grossly personally identifying information out of the data collected. That's just simply responsible engineering in the modern era.
They could have implemented telemetry without requiring you to link your graphics card to your email or Facebook account, as GeForce Experience never required that in the past and still worked fine.
This isn't execs using innocuous data that the good engineers simply happened to have. This is new and specific personal data collection and association of information that they have no business collecting, except for the sole purpose of invading their users' privacy for side profits.
Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
you forgot game capture/streaming and automatic game setting optimization
I use GameDVR (agario can take the framerate hit). GameDVR has a bug where Windows won't draw menus until I unplug and replug the monitor after using it (sometimes), so I did try Nvidia's thing. That recorded the start page for agario and my mouse. It was super interesting to watch, but not what I wanted. Maybe it works better for "real" games. Anyway, everything is shit ;)
I use OBS with the NVEC codec - the one that is installed with the NVIDIA driver, and if you are recording anything, regardless of 3D or 2D, it is your best bet.
It's especially nice compared to normal H.264, and has the option of light compression with nominal CPU usage if you don't like large lossless files. It outputs normal MP4/H.264 files that I can then work with in Linux (as opposed to say Fraps) but uses the fact your GPU is already rendering the scene to then output it in H.264.
Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use GameDVR (agario can take the framerate hit). GameDVR has a bug where Windows won't draw menus until I unplug and replug the monitor after using it (sometimes), so I did try Nvidia's thing. That recorded the start page for agario and my mouse. It was super interesting to watch, but not what I wanted. Maybe it works better for "real" games. Anyway, everything is shit ;)
I use OBS with the NVEC codec - the one that is installed with the NVIDIA driver, and if you are recording anything, regardless of 3D or 2D, it is your best bet. It's especially nice compared to normal H.264, and has the option of light compression with nominal CPU usage if you don't like large lossless files. It outputs normal MP4/H.264 files that I can then work with in Linux (as opposed to say Fraps) but uses the…
Thanks for the recommendation. I used simplescreenrecorder on Linux before, it worked pretty well. I'll try OBS on Windows and see how that goes.
Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers
#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
People don't appreciate the consequences of far away activities in general, until you make it explicit like the NSA segment on Last Week Tonight.
Even then they don't give a flying duckling, have you seen that segment? Before the interview they've asked people on the street and they didn't knew who the fuck Snowden was, people who watch LWT are already a tiny privileged portion of society. FYI Same goes for Real Time, The Daily Show, and the Colbert Report.... You are literally preaching to the choir....
I'm talking about the end of the segment, where everyone is upset about the NSA having access to their private photos.
Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my experience it is more nuanced than that, engineering will add a feature or capability and someone will come along and find a use for it that was unintended. At the search engine where I worked we came up with ways to inspect and adjust host rank and page rank such that we could knock out bad sites from the search results that were doing a good job gaming the system. But that biz dev folks also noted the same pi…
At a data design level, they could (and should, by default) at the very least keep all grossly personally identifying information out of the data collected. That's just simply responsible engineering in the modern era. They could have implemented telemetry without requiring you to link your graphics card to your email or Facebook account, as GeForce Experience never required that in the past and still worked fine. Th…
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying it is hard to build tools and features into your project that your own business development team can't abuse.
Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers
#240Imagine that five years from now, RISC-V or POWER8 have become established as free core-CPU platforms. Is there anything equivalent coming through in the GPU space?
Hopefully POWER9 by then.