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Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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I dunno, I just want to stop hearing about it here on HN, this single letter has been posted a dozen times in the past day: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=dear%20microsoft&sort=byPopula...

Hey, if it takes a little away from the barrage of boring, half-reasoned opinions about the MacBook announcement, I'll take it.

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=apple&sort=byPopularity&prefix...

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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> It's a chat room. With channels. And the iPhone was just a phone with a pretty UI. Slack is winning exactly for the same reason that the iPhone did, and you're misjudging it for the same reason that a lot of people misjudged Apple: It's all about execution. The first iPhone had the same features as previous phones, but those features were executed so much better than the competition. Slack is the same way. It's an…

>The first iPhone had the same features as previous phones The browser was the killer feature. Remember Jobs going to the NYT website?

Not the first internet browser on a phone though, just a vastly superior UX to what had been done before.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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The letter just makes me feel like the people calling the shots over at Slack are immature and can't handle the realities of running a competitive business. It just comes off as a disguised advertisement and I doubt it really earned them any more customers.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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The general response in the thread was hoping that Slack would get gutted and dismissing it as trivial. Not being 'innovative' isn't a sin. Thinking there is nothing to learn from slack sounds like a mistaking to me.

But MS already operated a widely used webchat, profile, and community network, before social networks were a thing. As usual, MS did a meh implementation ahead of the market, got scooped by a bunch of slick implementations, and will come back a few years later with a relatively solid enterprise offering. MS is going to bundle LinkedIn with a Slack-clone tied to their CMS and AI chat systems, and provide an easy-to-sc…

Well, isn't what you're describing the Teams software that prompted Slack's letter?

Only tied to Office365, not Azure and LinkedIn.

https://products.office.com/en-US/microsoft-teams/group-chat...

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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Microsoft has a well regarded developer network and Q&A system regarding Microsoft technologies, at least in my (limited to primarily Azure) experience. Similarly, Microsoft has already operated a widely used integrated chat, profile, and community system at scale. Given their recent pushes, it wouldn't be entirely surprising for them to bring back similar platforms for business users integrated with LinkedIn. That w…

Does Slack even allow on-premise installs yet? That instantly disqualified them from the last 3 jobs I've had. (All of which had data protection issues that prevented them from using off-premises IM systems, mostly HIPAA regulations.) Microsoft's got that market already sewn-up, right out of the gate.

As far as I'm aware Slack does not offer on-premise installs. (On-premise in this case could mean running in my own account at a cloud service provider) It's unfortunate because I'd love to adopt them as well at my current company, but it will be very difficult to achieve if the only option is to become yet another tenant of some large multi-tenant infrastructure.

Microsoft will quickly take over this market if they offer an easy-to-manage on-prem solution that's integrated with the company directory, as it seems they've done. Plenty of firms already have Exchange and ActiveDirectory and Skype for Business.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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My prior experience with some of the now leadership of Slack indicates that they don't have sufficient moral authority for this kind of commentary anyway.

I've been treated unethically by four relatively senior employees of Slack myself. It never occurred to me to complain until they started acting so holier than thou.

It's funny how achieving great success more as a result of luck than ingenuity seems to go hand-in-hand with arrogance.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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"Hate" no longer means "hate." It means "disagree with another at any level."

People were saying they hope Microsoft would put Slack out of business. That's not disagreeing, that's actively disliking them.

But even dislike != hate.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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Microsoft has a well regarded developer network and Q&A system regarding Microsoft technologies, at least in my (limited to primarily Azure) experience. Similarly, Microsoft has already operated a widely used integrated chat, profile, and community system at scale. Given their recent pushes, it wouldn't be entirely surprising for them to bring back similar platforms for business users integrated with LinkedIn. That w…

Does Slack even allow on-premise installs yet? That instantly disqualified them from the last 3 jobs I've had. (All of which had data protection issues that prevented them from using off-premises IM systems, mostly HIPAA regulations.) Microsoft's got that market already sewn-up, right out of the gate.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Microsoft Team doesn't currently have a self-hosted option. I hope it's in the pipeline because my company can't use an offsite IM service. It would be nice if Microsoft added support and then Slack followed. Competition is good!

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

I know from a technical standpoint Slack is just a pretty UI on top of IRC. However, consider for instance, one of the Slack teams I use on a daily basis is a law firm. The difference of getting users at a non-tech company, such as a law firm, to use a chat client like Slack vs an IRC client is a huge chasm. I've been guilty several times myself of saying UIs or veneers over long existing technology isn't that impres…

Yeah, but Hipchat or Campfire are just as easy to use. And Microsoft's will probably be as well.
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