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Self-Driving Cars Must Meet 15 Benchmarks in U.S. Guidance

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I'm really excited by US govt outlining what it would take to make a legal self driving car.

I'm also hoping that one of the options is to upgrade an old car to a self driving car with an open source kit that you can buy and install it via a certified mechanic.

I think that would be an interesting future I'd like to be part of.

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If I were to guess, once self-driving cars are widespread, cars won't be pulled over any more for driving-related issues (ie, cops won't radar any more). However, they will probably be required to have a kill switch that can pull it over for other reasons (ie, if the cops thought your car was the getaway vehicle from a bank robbery) This is of course once almost all cars are self-driving so it'll be interesting to se…

Cops pull over cars for traffic infractions for three primary reasons. The first is for driving safety, the second is for revenue, and the third is because it leads them to arrests of idiot criminals who can't be bothered to fix their tail lights.

The revenue part is coming under a lot of scrutiny recently, since it's being proven to have very regressive effects. The Federal government will make it more expensive than the revenue they generate from it.

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You could expect them to not call it autopilot, and instead call it lane keeping, like it really is. The name does a really good job at setting a terrible expectation, almost to the point of undoing any attention grabbing mechanism to keep users engaged.

The NHTSA is hinting in that direction, indicating that manufacturers must clearly distinguish between driver assistance systems (levels 1 and 2) and real self driving (levels 3 - 5). There will probably be some standard on this. There has to be; consider what happens when car rental fleets start having some of these features. There was an accident with a Volvo where someone was showing off the pedestrian safety syst…

It reminds me a little of the way in which airbags are always described as "SRS" (for "Supplementary Restraint System"), to try and make it clear that they're supposed to be used with seatbelts, not instead of them.

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For the Tesla comment, what more could you expect from them right now? If you have auto pilot on your hands have to be on the wheel or it vibrates and then it starts slowing down e eventually since it knows it's not safe. People can work around any system for this, but stuff like this makes it have to do it consciously. Seems pretty reasonable on Tesla's part.

They don't have to implement SAE 2 and if their implementation isn't safe, doing the best they can might not be good enough. I think there may be a fundamental flaw with lane keeping. It removes the driver from doing anything but still requires constant vigilance. That might be asking too much. My ADD is too strong to wach the road without having to do any part of the driving. I suspect a lot of people are the same w…

Heck I refuse to use cruise control at all because it makes me get board. My personal solution to avoid boardemn while driving is to drive faster. Clearlly I am not a safe driver but, I'm going to need full automation to help me out.

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Some HIPAA regulations that pre-date the rise of shared virtual servers in "the cloud" are quite outdated and cause quite a bit of trouble for no real benefit.

> Some HIPAA regulations that pre-date the rise of shared virtual servers in "the cloud" are quite outdated and cause quite a bit of trouble for no real benefit. What HIPAA regulations are you talking about? Other than HITECH guidance (which can sort-of be seen as a "HIPAA regulation"), HIPAA regulations don't generally specify technologies at all, and I can't think of any that I would describe as outdated or trouble…

I asked my doctor to email me my records and was told it is illegal due to HIPAA it makes no fucking sense but that's what it is.

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This seems suspiciously like government getting something right... with regards to a quickly-evolving new technology market... has this ever happened before?

Can you think of a concrete example where the government got it wrong?[1] For the sake of argument, the federal government in the last 50 years? Maybe the encryption export ban. Or the CDA, but that was quickly reversed and the part that's left (Section 230) was really instrumental in the rise of the modern web. [1] And I don't mean wrong as in "NSA spying" because you disagree with the policy. I mean like, "regulati…

The VA Healthcare debacle. The government was unable to timely provide healthcare and instead of trying to fix the problem they hid and covered it up by falsefying records. The new system they made is complexly incompetent where doctors and patains are force to spend days on the phone with people who have no clue what they are doing.

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From the regulations: "Fall back strategies should take into account that—despite laws and regulations to the contrary—human drivers may be inattentive, under the influence of alcohol or other substances, drowsy, or physically impaired in some other manner." NHTSA, which, after all, studies crashes, is being very realistic. Here's the "we're looking at you, Tesla" moment: "Guidance for Lower Levels of Automated Vehic…

I'm not sure they understand just how many intermediate steps requiring non-obvious technical progress are going to be required between 2, 3, 4, and 5. On a premapped track, 3 is just fine at present, but Google is nowhere near 3 for the sort of adverse conditions and unmapped road alterations that are common in much of the road network. This is going to be an iterative design process if it's moving forward at all. A…

99.99...9% of my driving takes place on heavily mapped well-managed roads (occasional pothole notwithstanding) that are heavily trafficked by other cars. As far as I'm concerned, if Google can do this, their vehicle is fully autonomous.

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It's nice that these regulations sound sensitive and not heavy handed. I'm wondering whether they are needed at all though. They've been formulated in heavy collaboration with the market leaders Uber, Google etc. Is there a risk they will help shut out upstarts, similarly to how the FDA makes drug development astronomically expensive?

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For the Tesla comment, what more could you expect from them right now? If you have auto pilot on your hands have to be on the wheel or it vibrates and then it starts slowing down e eventually since it knows it's not safe. People can work around any system for this, but stuff like this makes it have to do it consciously. Seems pretty reasonable on Tesla's part.

You could expect them to not call it autopilot, and instead call it lane keeping, like it really is. The name does a really good job at setting a terrible expectation, almost to the point of undoing any attention grabbing mechanism to keep users engaged.

I think the name isn't too blame, it's the misinterpretation of it (and possibly tesla overselling it).

"Autopilots do not replace a human operator, but assist them in controlling the vehicle, allowing them to focus on broader aspects of operation, such as monitoring the trajectory, weather and systems."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopilot

I've used an autopilot on a yacht and didn't expect it to dock or avoid ships. A plane autopilot doesn't freak out when the pilot takes their hands off the controls. So there seems to be room to allow the name but tighten how it's used.

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It wasn't mentioned in the bloomberg article, but the 15 areas covered are: • Data Recording and Sharing • Privacy • System Safety • Vehicle Cybersecurity • Human Machine Interface • Crashworthiness • Consumer Education and Training • Registration and Certi cation • Post-Crash Behavior • Federal, State and Local Laws • Ethical Considerations • Operational Design Domain (operating in rain, etc) • Object and Event Dete…

This seems suspiciously like government getting something right... with regards to a quickly-evolving new technology market... has this ever happened before?

Frequently. Passenger air travel. The highway system. Many others.
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