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China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by bammyz »

hackuser wrote: post #225
roywiggins wrote: post #207

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China has a much longer history than the modern democratic nation-state. The US has held itself together for a couple of hundred years... that's not a bad track record but it is very, very short.

The U.S. has managed over 40 peaceful transitions of power in that period. Democracies around the world have demonstrated far more stability and effectiveness, not to mention justice, liberty and prosperity, than those other forms of government that had lasted for millennia. That's not just in the West, but in Japan and South Korea, and in parts of China itself: Taiwan and Hong Kong - the most free, stable and prospe…

> The U.S. has managed over 40 peaceful transitions of power in that period.

Over 40 peaceful transitions, really? What about the Civil War and the assassination of JFK? Not to mention the recent Donald Trump fiasco. I'm pretty sure if he got elected, we would have a few more presidential assassination attempts coming our way. I mean if you want to prove that democracies bring stability, you need a better example than the U.S..

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by [deleted] »

huahaiy wrote: post #221
lostlogin wrote: post #219

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That statement applies to you being Han too - your level of education puts you into an elite category I'd have thought?

This is the thing. With the same background and education, I am a nobody when I am Han, and I am speaking for myself, not representing anyone. That would not be the case when I am Tibetan. I would be given a platform to broadcast my dissatisfaction with Chinese government, so on and so forth. What does this tell you?

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Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by lostlogin »

huahaiy wrote: post #221
lostlogin wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That statement applies to you being Han too - your level of education puts you into an elite category I'd have thought?

This is the thing. With the same background and education, I am a nobody when I am Han, and I am speaking for myself, not representing anyone. That would not be the case when I am Tibetan. I would be given a platform to broadcast my dissatisfaction with Chinese government, so on and so forth. What does this tell you?

> With the same background and education, I am a nobody when I am Han, and I am speaking for myself, not representing anyone.

Why is this? Because of the government structure?

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by afandian »

mac01021 wrote: post #140
afandian wrote: post #63

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Why does any genocide happen?

Normally the people instigating it give a reason. I'm asking what reason has been given by the PRC in this case. Also, it's not clear to me that this qualifies as genocide .

Genocide is the systematic eradication of an ethnic or religious group. You can't look at China's actions over the last fifty odd years and come to any other conclusion.

The reason given by the instigator (either for the top level or individual actions) is of interest but probably doesn't have much truth to it.

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Post by Udik »

golergka wrote: post #163
bhouston wrote: post #80

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You are advocating non-violent means, I think that is great. The main way to channel your energies into non-violent means of ending the situation in Israel-Palestine is to support the BDS movement. You can find out more here: https://bdsmovement.net/ It is based on the similar non-violent campaign against South Africa apartheid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinvestment_from_South_Afric... Be warned those that the…

BDS doesn't lead to peace — it's prclaiming a different kind of war. So far, it affected PA residents more, than israelis, stripping their sources of income and creating additional barriers between people, helping otherification. It aids the same culture of hate and intolerance that created the conflict in the first place and now helps keeping the palestinian opressors, from PA to Hamas, in power — and if you want pe…

The conflict wasn't created by a culture of hate and intolerance, as you'd like to believe. The conflict was created by millions of people immigrating to a land that didn't belong to them and then declaring a sovereign independent nation over it- something that would lead to a conflict in any part of the world (try this in the US). Israel doesn't want peace in the region - it wants its opponents rendered harmless in order to keep whatever has already grabbed and possibly keep grabbing more. It's just shameless.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by paradite »

jerichois wrote: post #226
jjcc wrote: post #160

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It's seldom known to westerners but many knowledgeable Chinese know that there are financial aid programs for minorities. Similar to that of financial support from Canadian government to the natives in northern Canada. In other words, the money from tax payers of developed areas in China feeds the people. The purpose of the programs is also quite similar to the Canadian government, (at least in the beginning): the pe…

It's pathetic that you are being downvoted for merely stating facts. I know this happpens on Reddit, but didn't think it would on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11760307

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by greggman »

kweks wrote: post #29

I was there literally three days ago. The place is nothing short of breathtaking. Nestled at 4200km, it was a three day motorbike ride from Chengdu. Even at its foothills, you have no concept of the scale of the town hiding in the hills. This will truly be a tragic loss - the town is much more than the 'slum' it is represented as - it's arguably the most important Buddhist learning institution in the world.. Photos f…

Gorgeous pictures.

I know next to nothing about this area but my first uninformed thought is as neat and cool as the pictures are how do I know this isn't actually a slum? As an example the Kowloon Walled City arguably needed to be destroyed. It was amazing but its existence was arguably a human rights violation and its destruction was arguably the right thing to do, even though I personally found the place super intriguing.

Does any of that fit this situation? In the Kowloon case afaik the government provided housing for all those displaced. Not just housing but better and safer housing on probably nearly every axis.

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Post by [deleted] »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #139
paavokoya wrote: post #133

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>It's very easy to forget how free we are by comparison to those persecuted in occupied territories. Pretty insulated thinking there.. Try traveling to Indian reservations or gentrified urban areas.. Or perhaps research Japanese internment camps in WW2. Or hell even look up Guantanamo Bay today. Superpowers flexing their muscle on a "threatening few" is extremely common.

Ah, the old 'Tu quoque' fallacy. Even so, let's examine some of these claims a bit: > Indian reservations Yes, the state of the modern Indian reservation is tragic, but doesn't that have to more to do with too much government assistance[1][2] rather than government stepping in to destroy? > gentrified urban areas You're not trying to suggest that living in a neighborhood that's getting nicer and more expensive is som…

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Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by ommunist »

So what? This is a normal procedure. Authorities set ceiling of no more than 5000 dwellers there. That was ignored. Face the concequences.

For those curious - China is colonising Tibet, nothing wrong in industrial nation wiping out the weakling. When the British colonised Americas they did the same with more than 600 First Nations. They just did it earlier.

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Post by ommunist »

jerichois wrote: post #230
icebraining wrote: post #18

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What about Diplomacy? Increased recognition of Tibetan leaders and activists, sending diplomatic missions to problematic spots, etc. It would also not hurt to stop with the constant demonization of "China" as a whole, which just serves to downplay criticism as bigotry.

And what if China tries to do the same with our Native American Reservations?

For China it would be enough to acknowledge the Lacotah Republic to fire up the Civil War in the US.
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